Confused about what Emma said regarding Lord Issin's location

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

So I'm on NG+++ and I encountered something I never noticed before. After beating Genishiro on top of the castle, Kuro asked to go seek Ishin. Immediately after receiving this task, I went to talk to Emma and Sekiro automatically said that Issin is not in the Watchtower (I haven't even gone there yet).

Emma said that Issin is not in the watchtower right now. Instead, he is in a watchtower next to Ashina castle gate where I fought Oniwa. I was really surprised to hear this because this never happened on previous playthroughs and I never saw Issin outside of his watchtower room. So I went there, and saw the Tengu as usual, and Issin wasn't there. I searched around for a while and couldn't find Issin at all. So I went to Issin's usual location and he was there...

So I'm confused to as why this conversation even exists when it clearly isn't giving the player accurate information. Did I perhaps misread/misunderstand Emma's message? But even then why did Sekiro prompt that discussion by saying that Issin isn't in his room? It's just pretty weird all around, something I never noticed before.

[Sokurah]

Well i never heard emma say that. Kuro (or emma) tells you Isshin is not in this castle citadel which is just the main tower i guess. (Maybe bad translation)

Did she really say he is next to the castle gate tower?

Btw according to a letter you find in isshins room emma knows that isshin is the tengu and so should you in NG+++ 😁

[PlutonArioch]

NG+++ and you are confused about that? Damn, have you been watching TV while playing that you missed so much?
This should not really be a spoiler at this point, if you did not connect the dots so far I doubt you will: Isshin is the Tengu, and Emma knows that. You need to help the Tengu kill the Rats, so he can go back to his tower, where he should be staying be cause he is ill. He is a stubborn old man, and wont let others deal with such matters, but because he is officially too ill to fight, he hides behind the mask of Tengu. He is too proud to admit it, but he knows that he is not as fit as he once was anymore, and should not be doing this. That is why he asks for your help at the gate.

Edit: And as to why the conversation was triggered: If the Tengu is still hunting rats at the gate at this point you find a letter to Emma in Isshins room, telling her that the Tengu will deal with the Rats, and Sekiro says "Maybe Emma knows where he is". So you go ask Emma. And she tells you where he is. I guess it should only trigger after you have found the letter, but apparently it does not.

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Isshin is the Tengu.

You have to do the rat quest and get the Ashina esoteric text in order for him to move to the castle watchtower.

[Sokurah]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Isshin is the Tengu.

You have to do the rat quest and get the Ashina esoteric text in order for him to move to the castle watchtower.

I always made that quest before genichiro so i never had that plot twist 😆

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

LOL thanks guys for the clarification, it makes sense now.

Yeah I'm really ashamed that NG+++ is the first playthough where I'm actually paying attention to the conversation and the plot. The game was so difficult and challenging on my first playthrough so I just followed a thorough guide so I could to get all the beads etc. Since I managed to get most achievements on the first playthrough and I was really enjoying the combat, I just decided to speed through the games few more times to get all the achievements.

I really regret doing this with hindsight because of how much I ended up loving the game, both the combat and the setting & plot. Now even though I've seen all the endings, I missed most of the details of plot so I'm taking my time with this one.

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sokurah:

Well i never heard emma say that. Kuro (or emma) tells you Isshin is not in this castle citadel which is just the main tower i guess. (Maybe bad translation)

Did she really say he is next to the castle gate tower?

Btw according to a letter you find in isshins room emma knows that isshin is the tengu and so should you in NG+++ 😁 [/quote]
that's why I was surprised, she actually said he's in the tower next to the gate where I fought Oniwa. In all my previous playthroughs I saw Issin in his chamber so I was very confused when Emma told me this. But now it makes sense why she would say this.

[PlutonArioch]

Well, at least you are now starting to pay attention. :D
Some people never do. Which is a shame because there is so much plot to discover, and its pretty good too.

I always take my time on my first playthrough and try to find out as much as possible, savouring the experience of discovering new things. Then I will still look out for things I might have missed on a second playthrough, but by the third there is usually nothing left to discover. Before that I try to avoid any spoilers. I could never use a guide... it would take most of the fun out of a game for me.

[アゼム]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sokurah:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Isshin is the Tengu.

You have to do the rat quest and get the Ashina esoteric text in order for him to move to the castle watchtower.

I always made that quest before genichiro so i never had that plot twist 😆

You don't need it to understand Isshin is the Tengu. The Tengu is the only one to call you "Sekiro". When you first meet Isshin in the tower, he calls you Sekiro. Your character even reacts to it because this is the moment you're supposed to realize who the Tengu is.

[Sokurah]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย TaquitoBurrito:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Sokurah:

I always made that quest before genichiro so i never had that plot twist 😆

You don't need it to understand Isshin is the Tengu. The Tengu is the only one to call you "Sekiro". When you first meet Isshin in the tower, he calls you Sekiro. Your character even reacts to it because this is the moment you're supposed to realize who the Tengu is.

Yes i know that 🤗

[Chris]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Arioch:

NG+++ and you are confused about that? Damn, have you been watching TV while playing that you missed so much?
This should not really be a spoiler at this point, if you did not connect the dots so far I doubt you will: Isshin is the Tengu, and Emma knows that. You need to help the Tengu kill the Rats, so he can go back to his tower, where he should be staying be cause he is ill. He is a stubborn old man, and wont let others deal with such matters, but because he is officially too ill to fight, he hides behind the mask of Tengu. He is too proud to admit it, but he knows that he is not as fit as he once was anymore, and should not be doing this. That is why he asks for your help at the gate.

Edit: And as to why the conversation was triggered: If the Tengu is still hunting rats at the gate at this point you find a letter to Emma in Isshins room, telling her that the Tengu will deal with the Rats, and Sekiro says "Maybe Emma knows where he is". So you go ask Emma. And she tells you where he is. I guess it should only trigger after you have found the letter, but apparently it does not.

Im pretty sure he is more fit than ever:)

[PlutonArioch]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Christoph:

Im pretty sure he is more fit than ever:)

He literally dies of his illness (or maybe old age, though Emma says it was his illness) at the end of the day... how can you be sure he is "more fit than ever"? How decrepit do you think he was in his prime, or when he won the last war?
One does not get the title "sword saint" for being weak.

[Chris]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Arioch:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Christoph:

Im pretty sure he is more fit than ever:)

He literally dies of his illness (or maybe old age, though Emma says it was his illness) at the end of the day... how can you be sure he is "more fit than ever"? How decrepit do you think he was in his prime, or when he won the last war?
One does not get the title "sword saint" for being weak.

There are people which stay fresh young and healthy their whole life.But im not sure if we talk about the same guy....I meant the guy which gives you the nickname sekiro.He is the one which gives you the rat task and at some point he gets pretty strong

[PlutonArioch]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Christoph:

There are people which stay fresh young and healthy their whole life.But im not sure if we talk about the same guy....I meant the guy which gives you the nickname sekiro.He is the one which gives you the rat task and at some point he gets pretty strong

Ok... who else would I be talking about?

[Chris]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Arioch:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Christoph:

There are people which stay fresh young and healthy their whole life.But im not sure if we talk about the same guy....I meant the guy which gives you the nickname sekiro.He is the one which gives you the rat task and at some point he gets pretty strong

Ok... who else would I be talking about?

It was just a reference to a specific fight

[Sokurah]

Btw i still don't understand how genichiro use isshin in the final fight?!

Isshin is younger there. Also the old isshin dies before the fight.

Has that something to do with genichiro fullfilling some ritual because he know hw need isshins strenght.

Also before the genichiro fight they say its a miracle isshin is still alive. Is he just trapped in a dark jutsu by genichiro? He say "is that so" when emma say its a miracle.

😅 i dont really get that tbh.