Have they nerfed a single damn boss since release? (big spoilers)

[Kyrth]

so i finished my first play-through of Sekuckro a few months ago, and got the Kuck ending. you know the one, where you take all of the choices & precautions to save Kuro & break the cycle, and therefore slaughter him in cold blood, and live the rest of your life as a miserable self-loathing hermit. because that was a rewarding conclusion to the story, wasn't it.

Came back to see if the game got any better and the corrupted monk still misses her low-sweeps. killed most bosses in one try thanks to the sadistic muscle-memory CBT i suffered through during my first run. Until i got to Owl.

Jesus Christ why does anyone enjoy this?

his fast speed & quick posture recovery, paired with his unrelenting aggression & next to non-existent openings, makes this boss entirely impossible to defeat first time w/o painful patience. learning his pattern's rhythm is impossible in one attempt, as you will be guard-broken unto death. meanwhile his stagger/heavy=execution gimmick will quickly make work of the aggressive (fun) play-style. this forces you to adopt the 'minefield mentality' which is the epitomy of ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ways to approach a video-game. "i'll just throw myself at the situation in randomly different ways until i find one that doesn't get me killed instantly"

So after a solid 4 tries i sat back and i thought, "if i complain or point this out, the hard=good mob will dribble all over my post until it drowns in insecurities & egotism." since that's what happens to people that criticise the perfect franchise without fresh points.

but i have a funky-fresh backup MCpoint for you. patches.

See if Sekiro is perfectly balanced the way it is (which it isn't) then like with all intricate games, it took a lot of tweaks and patches to get there. So where are they? where are the buffs & nerfs that justify the 'fair but hard' review every single soy-suckling sissy-boy seems to revel in giving?

[Just Aaron]

I`m surprised Owl 1 is giving you trouble after you already beat the game. I just use the usual strategy of deflect everything and dodge his grenades. You can also cheese him with hit and runs. Its time consuming but gets the job done. Also takes a little practice so I`m not sure if it qualifies as cheese.

[wilco64256]

Thanks for your opinion. Sorry you suck so bad it took you over 100 hours to get through your first run.

[Xaphnir]

Why in the ♥♥♥♥ does a single player game need nerfs or buffs?

[Just Aaron]

Originally posted by Xaphnir:

Why in the ♥♥♥♥ does a single player game need nerfs or buffs?

It allows the developers to correct their mistakes.

[wilco64256]

They nerfed Blazing Bull in a patch and haven't touched the game since, so it's safe to assume they don't think they need to adjust anything else.

[Kyrth]

Originally posted by wilco64256:

They nerfed Blazing Bull in a patch and haven't touched the game since, so it's safe to assume they don't think they need to adjust anything else.

that's not how balance works...

[(Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr]

Originally posted by Catatonic_Analytic:

Originally posted by wilco64256:

They nerfed Blazing Bull in a patch and haven't touched the game since, so it's safe to assume they don't think they need to adjust anything else.

that's not how balance works...

Only games with online multiplayer and periodic expansions need continuous balancing. For a single player game with no online capabilities, balancing shouldn't really have to be done post-release.

[Kyrth]

Originally posted by (Edgy) Asriel Dreemurr:

Only games with online multiplayer and periodic expansions need continuous balancing. For a single player game with no online capabilities, balancing shouldn't really have to be done post-release.

I didn't say continuous.

Owl being my chosen example, can only be beaten in a few specific ways. these ways demand great deals of tedium to pull-off. Repeated failure & heavy self-restraint (not fun things) are required to defeat him.

Owl's fight is itself heralded by Owl mocking you, in a pre-fight dialogue, and then a cutscene. he even does this when you enter into first-death, and again upon true death. this is the kind of dialogue you're given when facing a boss that you're not supposed to struggle with for long, as it rubs salt into the wound when you fail.

But Owl has both a sturdy HP & ungodly Posture pool. you can't enjoy this boss-fight the way you enjoy others, you're not free to use the play-style that you've honed over the course of every boss before, because he punishes you for doing anything other than dancing to his beat. This fight is set-up to be hard but swift, but because of this it drags on so painfully.

If Owl's posture bar was just a tad bit weaker, OR gave the player a second and a half longer to recover after a combo, or actually had windows to attack, then he'd be fine. defensive players would be able to play defensively and parry him down, and aggressive players would be able to overpower him, or get past his guard. but as it stands, you can only defeat Owl, by trial-and-erroring until you learn the cheese by heart.

My cheese was Night-Jar Slash Reversal & Shuriken Dash, btw. i literally just so happened to have unlocked the right skills for the job.

Kind of like the 'Ashina Cross' skill, & the 'Ashina Elite' boss. what a meme.

[Defalt]

i really dont think you understand the game at all all the boss fights are a complicated dance you are not meant to be frustrated by his posture at the start because you are meant to get your hits in where you can and abuse his mild openings for 1 or 2 hits.... big dumb overhead swing after shurikans? dodge hit for free damage firecracker blade strike... guess what dodge to his back and hit him twice for more free damage its an easy mix of agressive actions and defensive actions and then sooner or later his posture just fails to keep up between the damage he has taken and the perfect deflects you make

if your sitting there just trying to cheese your way past it no wonder you arent having a good time you arent learning anything you are trying and failing to bypass mechanics with ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

they nerfed the bull because it took to long and wasnt all that interesting to start with every other boss is perfectly fine long as you have as many health upgrades as you can by that point (which is most of if not all of them) you really shouldnt be having these problems with ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ owl of all people

if owl is your major problem dont even try the secret boss god help you

[Kyrth]

Originally posted by Stranger:

i really dont think you understand the game at all all the boss fights are a complicated dance you are not meant to be frustrated by his posture at the start because you are meant to get your hits in where you can and abuse his mild openings for 1 or 2 hits.... big dumb overhead swing after shurikans? dodge hit for free damage firecracker blade strike... guess what dodge to his back and hit him twice for more free damage its an easy mix of agressive actions and defensive actions and then sooner or later his posture just fails to keep up between the damage he has taken and the perfect deflects you make

if your sitting there just trying to cheese your way past it no wonder you arent having a good time you arent learning anything you are trying and failing to bypass mechanics with ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

they nerfed the bull because it took to long and wasnt all that interesting to start with every other boss is perfectly fine long as you have as many health upgrades as you can by that point (which is most of if not all of them) you really shouldnt be having these problems with ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ owl of all people

if owl is your major problem dont even try the secret boss god help you

Reads nicely to \/
https://youtu.be/iV289YG1JFU

[Defalt]

Originally posted by Catatonic_Analytic:

Originally posted by Stranger:

i really dont think you understand the game at all all the boss fights are a complicated dance you are not meant to be frustrated by his posture at the start because you are meant to get your hits in where you can and abuse his mild openings for 1 or 2 hits.... big dumb overhead swing after shurikans? dodge hit for free damage firecracker blade strike... guess what dodge to his back and hit him twice for more free damage its an easy mix of agressive actions and defensive actions and then sooner or later his posture just fails to keep up between the damage he has taken and the perfect deflects you make

if your sitting there just trying to cheese your way past it no wonder you arent having a good time you arent learning anything you are trying and failing to bypass mechanics with ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

they nerfed the bull because it took to long and wasnt all that interesting to start with every other boss is perfectly fine long as you have as many health upgrades as you can by that point (which is most of if not all of them) you really shouldnt be having these problems with ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ owl of all people

if owl is your major problem dont even try the secret boss god help you

Reads nicely to \/
https://youtu.be/iV289YG1JFU

if you wanna ignore legitimate advice and instead mock me for succeeding where you clearly have failed and will keep failing thats your choice

just know that no one here nor the devs are going to cater to your inablity to adapt to a simple combat flow

[zippydsmlee]

But Owl was easier than way of tome genchirjro......

[Hyperion]

They have nerfed a boss since launch.

Apparently the Blazing Bull was a bit too hard for those starting out and they reduced its posture back in one of the updates.

Personally, I believe Owl, both Shinobi and Father, to be relatively quite simple compared to Genichiro or even Gyoubu (the horse messes up the deflect timing for me every time lol).

If you played aggressively to beat Genichiro, you need to play even more aggressive for Owl because his posture recovery rivals the false Corrupted Monk's. The only way to beat him legitimately is to slowly chip away at his vitality enough to stop his posture recovery and the rest should be fairly simple.

[Defalt]

Originally posted by Hyperion:

They have nerfed a boss since launch.

Apparently the Blazing Bull was a bit too hard for those starting out and they reduced its posture back in one of the updates.

Personally, I believe Owl, both Shinobi and Father, to be relatively quite simple compared to Genichiro or even Gyoubu (the horse messes up the deflect timing for me every time lol).

If you played aggressively to beat Genichiro, you need to play even more aggressive for Owl because his posture recovery rivals the false Corrupted Monk's. The only way to beat him legitimately is to slowly chip away at his vitality enough to stop his posture recovery and the rest should be fairly simple.

yea alot of people complained about the bull being a mindless boss that was way to tanky and i agree with that for starting out its very annoying once you figure out you basicly need to be constantly running the whole fight

but owl even in his harder modes i think is the easiest boss the game has the father one is even easier because he gives you even more downtime and uses easier to counter moves way more often

atleast i think

[Hyperion]

Originally posted by Stranger:

Originally posted by Hyperion:

They have nerfed a boss since launch.

Apparently the Blazing Bull was a bit too hard for those starting out and they reduced its posture back in one of the updates.

Personally, I believe Owl, both Shinobi and Father, to be relatively quite simple compared to Genichiro or even Gyoubu (the horse messes up the deflect timing for me every time lol).

If you played aggressively to beat Genichiro, you need to play even more aggressive for Owl because his posture recovery rivals the false Corrupted Monk's. The only way to beat him legitimately is to slowly chip away at his vitality enough to stop his posture recovery and the rest should be fairly simple.

yea alot of people complained about the bull being a mindless boss that was way to tanky and i agree with that for starting out its very annoying once you figure out you basicly need to be constantly running the whole fight

but owl even in his harder modes i think is the easiest boss the game has the father one is even easier because he gives you even more downtime and uses easier to counter moves way more often

atleast i think

Definitely.

The Shinobi fight not only confines you to a very small fight space but Owl himself pulls out BS tricks like heal blocker ball, firecrackers, Mikiri counter and poison, which is effectively area denial in an already small fight space.

Father definitely feels more like a testament to your skill than Shinobi as the fight space increases dramatically and he loses most of his BS abilities mentioned above. Also you can Mikiri counter him now so that's even better.