Keeper duels are impossible to beat.

[AH-1 Cobra]

They just keep buff stacking, shielding and healing, and I can't even take down a single monster before they wipe all 6 of mine.

Literally nothing I can do. Not now, not ever.

[Conan The Librarian]

Crimsonedge-

No worries man, keeper battles are indeed quite doable, so don’t sell yourself short. Likely you just need to improve your strategy with your team of three and you’ll do fine.

Check out this thread for similar discussion:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/814370/discussions/0/1630790987597540996/

I’m going to be AFK for a little, but feel free to hit me up for discussing strategy, and/or on Discord—lotta helpful people there https://discord.gg/8KrG6y

[AH-1 Cobra]

These fights are massively overtuned, and not fun at all. It took me nearly 20 minutes to win this, and I was down to 2 monsters.

They need to just remove the half healing and damage thing in keeper duels, and make it like a regular fight, but vs 6 monsters. That would fix it.

[Conan The Librarian]

Originally posted by crimsonedge11:

These fights are massively overtuned, and not fun at all. It took me nearly 20 minutes to win this, and I was down to 2 monsters.

They need to just remove the half healing and damage thing in keeper duels, and make it like a regular fight, but vs 6 monsters. That would fix it.

That would not fix it. They tuned it down because otherwise things would be completely imbalanced, Moi Rai made it how it is for a reason. Not only myself, but others could tell you that these battles are indeed winnable. The issue is more likely that you need a better team strategy. I would highly recommend workshopping with people (such as on Discord) to improve. Merely stating that things are “too hard” when real solutions exist isn’t as productive.

[AH-1 Cobra]

I shouldn't have to get into hardcore theorycrafting just to win a fight. That bores me. I was expecting something a little more casual.

[Conan The Librarian]

Originally posted by crimsonedge11:

I shouldn't have to get into hardcore theorycrafting just to win a fight. That bores me. I was expecting something a little more casual.

And I can understand your feelings regarding that, however, I would claim that "deep theorycrafting" is not necessary--just basic teambuilding strategy. Indeed, the game's baseline level is more challenging than Pokemon (as stated by the developer):

Originally posted by Sersch:

Hm we certainly didn't want to just copy Pokemon (In my opinion it is too easy / casual) - I wanted to create something more challenging. Of course not everyone will enjoy it, but there are many who like it this way..

Even still, discussion and strategizing is being offered: I (and others) would be quite happy to help.

[Jdr_]

I had this thought the first time I played, with Wolf as my main. The dude with Frog humiliated me, but at least I saw that was the real challenge on the game, since I just lost to some mobs at Sun Palace playing like a dumb and the champion monsters are not hard at all.

In my second save I managed to defeat the Frog dude with the Phoenix as my main, don't know how to be honest, but well, it's not impossible, it's just very hard.

[Bayard]

u are just bad, beaten the game as far as i can for now and done every keeper battle, u just cant build a good team, less lazy ass and read the spells.

[AH-1 Cobra]

The first keeper duel, their stats were way higher than that of my monsters, even though I was the same level (around level 11 or so). The difference in power between his monsters and mine was astronomical. I could have possibly grinded to level 14 or so, and had better luck, but it's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fight at level 11.

The other keeper duels are fine, but the first one needs to be toned down. His monsters were using higher level attacks than mine, and quite obviously had considerably higher stats that weren't accurately defined by "level". They seemed to never run out of mana, ever, and were able to keep spamming high level attacks/spells as if mana pool/regen was not an issue. I had a level 11 golem, and it got absolutely destroyed in like 3 attacks, through the shields. Full shield was shredded in 1 hit, then got 2 shotted after the shield was gone. Sorry, but that's broken as hell. No other fight in the game ever shredded a golem like that. Not one. The fight was so busted OP, I assumed it was one of those fights that you were scripted to lose.

All the keeper duels after that are easy, because you can go get sun palace mobs like the mantis and psycho elephant mages, which are 2 of the best monsters in the game, IMHO.

My default party was Golem or Snail + Psycho Elephant + Mantis, and you were pretty much unstoppable once those monsters were leveled up into the 20+ range. If I could redo the first keeper duel, with levels scaled up to 20, and me having Golem + Psycho Elephant + Mantis, he would have gotten demolished, without me losing one monster. The mantis would have been OHKOing stuff after getting about 15+ charge stacks after 1 kill, which is exactly what happened in all the later keeper duels.

[phonon5891]

Got to agree with crimson here, I had an overgeared lvl ~12 team w/ +3 equips from snowy area (basically grabbed the chests and avoided mobs) and was still stomped by the first keeper duel. His earth monsters kept spamming lvl 3 poison + debuff attacks faster than I could heal/cure them. Didn't help that I couldn't even use antidotes. Managed to focus fire 2 monsters down but eventually wiped by triple poison+weakness stacks on all my monsters. Don't feel like grinding to ~15 just to be able to get past a required story battle.

It also makes little sense story-wise how I stomped a champion that made a keeper wet his pants, only to have weeing willie stomp me with his own mobs (which are higher level than the champion?!?) 5 minutes later. IIRC, the duel comes right after beating the minotaur-like champion in the caves, without a new area/progression to level up further, so the sudden difficulty spike was absolutely jarring.

[Sersch]

The Will battle isn't mandatory to win. His monster's stats are not upscaled, quite the opposite - all Keeper battle monsters use the same stats, skills and equipment as the player does. The game has a very high ceiling of the combat result depending on the way you skill, equip and use your monsters. One player can feel like Will is unbeatable - other can feel like its rather easy. If you're one of the former, there is definitely room to improve.

[AH-1 Cobra]

Originally posted by Sersch:

The Will battle isn't mandatory to win. His monster's stats are not upscaled, quite the opposite - all Keeper battle monsters use the same stats, skills and equipment as the player does. The game has a very high ceiling of the combat result depending on the way you skill, equip and use your monsters. One player can feel like Will is unbeatable - other can feel like its rather easy. If you're one of the former, there is definitely room to improve.

Every other keeper duel past Will's is easy. Because you don't have hardly any build options at lower levels. It's quite literally the hardest fight in the game, why should that be thrown in this early on? It has the difficulty of a fight you're supposed to lose for storyline purposes, but can possibly win with some sorta gimmick.

I redid the Will fight on a new save file, got to level 14, and still couldn't beat it. I had no problems beating any of the consecutive keeper duels. In fact, I rarely lost a single monster against any of the post-Will keeper duels.

[Infamous_sniper21]

What is your team composition? Maybe I can suggest a solution with your current team.

[phonon5891]

Originally posted by Sersch:

The Will battle isn't mandatory to win. His monster's stats are not upscaled, quite the opposite - all Keeper battle monsters use the same stats, skills and equipment as the player does. The game has a very high ceiling of the combat result depending on the way you skill, equip and use your monsters. One player can feel like Will is unbeatable - other can feel like its rather easy. If you're one of the former, there is definitely room to improve.

And yet Weeing Willie's mobs were roflstomping me by spamming lvl 3 poison + weakness attacks, as though they had infinite mana (or overgeared for mana replenishment).

"Room to improve." LOL. Funny, since *I* was roflstomping the mobs including all the champions up to that point, and suddenly I get stomped by the guy who wet his pants and ran from the champion I just stomped. Again, very jarring in terms of difficulty spike, and completely nonsensical story-wise. Is there supposed to be a moral lesson here? "See Willie, even though your weeing made you run back home to change your pants, you're not worthless since you stomped the guy who stomped the champion that made you wet your pants!"

Hey, but what do we know, it's your game; crimson and I are just telling you how a) jarring the difficulty spike is, b) how un-fun the keeper battles are right now, and c) how nonsensical the difficulty spike is in the context of the story.

[AH-1 Cobra]

The rest of the keeper battles are fine.

[AH-1 Cobra]

Originally posted by Infamous_sniper21:

What is your team composition? Maybe I can suggest a solution with your current team.

If you got a guaranteed setup to beat Will's keeper duel with monsters and items only available up to that point, post it.