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Jin on the Genghis Kahn campaign with the third mission if I am not mistaken is Jurchen, but Hsi Hsia from this campaign being Khitans is not historically accurate because the geographic location on the third Genghis Kahn mission is not historically accurate for Khitans. It is unclear if Chinese will be renamed or not, but hopefully very little if any change to there tech tree. Not that hard for me to imagine Hsi Hsia (green) still using the same civ as Song (cyan), but unclear to me if Engineers (blue) is either going to be Jurchens or Chinese. If Khitans get added to this dlc instead of Tibet their might be at least some backlash. This is at least in part Tibet was originally planed by Forgotten Empires before it was cancelled and replaced Koreans with "The Conquerors" expansion pack. Tibetans during this game's time period were historically also known as Tufan. I also highly doubt there ever will be a second Chinese dlc meaning that Tibet would be an odd mix with other civs that are not based on modern day China.
Are not the Xi Xia, Jin and Lia part of Chinnese culture ?
I also think that we will get these 3 new civs but I don't think that they will rename the Chinese.
Tanguts are not "Chinese" and I am 100% certain even though it has not been officially confirmed yet that one of the new civs being added to this dlc are going to be Tanguts. The only civ that is questionable is if it is Khitans or if adding Tibetans, but I would personally prefer Tibetans (Tufan) being added if possible instead of Khitans. If Tibetans get added later it mostly likely would not be another Chinese dlc. Also, the only civ that might make sense for being Khitans on the third Genghis Kahn mission are the engineers because the geographic location for Hsi Hsai being Khitans is not historically accurate. Meaning that Hsi Hsai is most likely going to either be Chinese because of the Great Wall unique tech from castle or Jurchens, but not Khitan.
Khitans could be used for the first two Mongol Campaigns.
Into China (Genghis Khan 3 would likely have a mix of Jurchens, Tanguts, and the reworked Chinese civs as the enemies.
Any Chinese, Tangut or Jurchen campaign would make sense to include the Khitans instead of the Tibet (Tufan).
For example if the Jurchen campaign focuses on the establishment of the Jin Dynasty. Well the Jurchens replaced the Liao or Khitans so having the Khitan as a main antagonist for a Jurchen campaign makes sense. Afterwards they had some campaigns against the Song. You could even start with the first level being a mercenary for the Liao against the Song or Tanguts and then the Jurchens launch a rebellion and betray the Liao (Khitans).
But realistically campaigns for the Tanguts, Jurchens and Chinese and possibly Koreans all indicate that Khitans would be the most logical filler civ to accommodate such campaigns.
I get why people want the Tibetans but logically they make more sense to be included in a separate DLC. Khitans is the most logical civ to pair with Tanguts and Jurchens.
During much of AoE2's timeline China had 3 major and 7 minor kingdoms. So the major kingdoms are probably gonna be 3 civs (Tanguts, Jurchens, Khitans, plus a reworked Chinese civ).
Not all Chinese dynasties/kingdoms were Han. The Devs are doing a similar thing to Dynasties of India where previously South Asia was just 1 Civ, the Indians.
The Chinese are keeping Chu Ku Nu. But they are adding Jurchens, Tanguts, and Khitans for units like the fire lancer, iron pagoda, grenadier.
Also Noryang Point Chinese faction, which was during Ming dynasty.
The only new scenario we have the name of (Xie An (383)) is happening in the fourth century, which is also some 500 years before Song.
What makes you say that? I see you using a time period argument, but I don't see why the period being explored couldn't be on a longer time scale. Aside from Dawn of the Dukes, the mainstay DLCs have had their campaigns scattered across the time period.
To my understanding, Tanguts are the only ones that have lived in the area and had some historic connections to China culturally. Khitans and Jurchens are more related to peoples north of China.
Tanguts, Jurchens, Khitans, and Song focus leads to the fire campaign options of:
1. Jurchens: Wanyan Zonghan covering the Jurchen invasion of Song and Khitan
2. Khitans: Yelu Dashi covering the exodus of the Liao and the founding of the Qara Khitai
3. Chinese: Yue Fei one of the major generals in the Song dynasty
4. Tanguts: Li Yuanhao (even though some of his wars were against the uyghurs, they could be subbed for khitans for more focus on new civs.)
I think Tibetans could be added but not if the DLC is only 3 new civs. I would expect them to add Tibetans as filler DLC for Asian Civs that should be in the game but aren't already such as the glaring absence of the Thai/Siamese in SE Asia.
I think it's doubtful that there will be 3 civs, as there's probably also gonna be 3 campaigns. Even Dynasties of India didn't break free from this. And Chinese will likely be one of the campaign civs.
If there is 3 civs, I could easily see Tibetans for an early time period campaign, Jurchens and Tanguts for the middle period, and then Chinese campaign during the Ming dynasty.
There are 4 Indian civs and 4 Indian campaigns total. The Chinese might take a similar approach, but contrary to Hindustanis I do not think that the Chinese are going to be split and possibly not even renamed. Jurchens, Tanguts, Tibetans, Khitans, and Uyghurs for example are not Chinese. Meaning at least China plus 3 other civs that are based on modern day China despite them not being Han Chinese. If it turns out to be true this game will have at least four full campaigns it would be the biggest dlc in the entire game and most likely will cost at least $15 at full price. However, the full details of what to expect for campaigns are still missing and there was a leak showing there might be a historical battle involved with the Chinese civ. Maybe 4 new campaigns and for Chinese one new historical battle, but it is only speculation at this point instead of officially confirmed.
This DLC was teased at being big and different than the past approach of 2 civs, 3 campaigns. I expect numerous content to make a dent in the rich history of China and the Sinosphere. This part of the world has been basically untouched by AoE2.
Five campaigns might be stretching it, but the only reason why this dlc might have 5 campaigns are because of the Koreans or maybe a Korean dlc comes later that also adds Tibetans and Ugyhars, but does not include Dali as an official civ. In comparison to other civs I think that Dali had a less significant role during AoE II: DE's time period than other civs. Dali for example apparently had a lot in common with Song where they were even allied to each other at one point before Genghis Khan.
I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
I too wish for a third civ which, based on Xie An battle, I think could be Tibetans (because former Qin dynasty was founded by Di people, which could be viewed as proto-Tibetans), but what they teased only really confirms Tanguts and Jurchens right now. And the battle itself only really hints at possible Historical Battles style section that might've been added alongside the standard civ + campaign fanfare.