Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition

Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition

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Chronicles Battle for Greece Sequel New Civilization
Considering that Alexander the Great appears at the end of the campaign, it seems likely that the ancient Indian civilization will also appear. What new civilizations do you think will be added?
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James3157 Dec 7, 2024 @ 4:50pm 
It is only speculation at this point, but possibly a campaign for Alexander with Macedonians and two Indian civs. The Alexander campaign would come first and then two campaigns for the two Indian civs. The second campaign would be an Indian civ having conflict with Alexander and the other Indian civ. The third campaign would be elusively Indians vs Indians with that second Indian civ. Assuming that it is going to have 21 missions similar to the previous one my prediction is that Alexander gets 8 missions, the second campaign gets 7 missions, and the third campaign gets 6 missions. However, if it is going to be only three civs and three campaigns that could also mean that the Egyptians might have to be excluded and come in later dlc if the next Chronicles dlc is going to have two Indian civs. There might be one mission where Alexander invades the Egyptians, but despite being labeled as Egyptians they will probably be one of the Indian civs actually.
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Serious Sam Dec 7, 2024 @ 4:57pm 
Wouldn't a confrontation with Persia come first before the Indian campaign? For example, the Battle of Gaugamela.
James3157 Dec 7, 2024 @ 5:45pm 
Originally posted by HappyChaos:
Wouldn't a confrontation with Persia come first before the Indian campaign? For example, the Battle of Gaugamela.

The Achemenids are Persians and they do not need another civ variant for the Alexander campaign contrary to the Indians, because Alexander conquered the Persians. It makes more sense for this dlc to add two Indian civs plus a Macedonian civ instead of one Macedonian, a second Persian, and one Indian civ, because Indians probably were at war with each other at around the same time as Alexander's failed invasion but contrary to AoE II: DE the Indians only get two civs total for Chronicles. Apparently, it was it not Alexander who wanted to turn back, but his army and his life ended shortly after that despite him being only 32 years old because of his health problems.
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Serious Sam Dec 7, 2024 @ 5:57pm 
I'm not saying another Persian civilization will be added, but I think the Persians, that is, the Archemenids, will appear first, and then in the campaign, two new Indian civilizations will appear as enemies, as you said.
Plokmijnuh Dec 7, 2024 @ 8:53pm 
Maybe Thracians, Macedonians, and an Indian Civ.
Thracians would work for Phillip II section of the Campaign. Macedonians obviously are being added if its Alexander the Great. And while they could add Egyptians, I think they just use Achaemenids as a place holder. And add Egypt as the Ptolemaic Dynasty
with the Seleucids and a third civ in a future expansion. Finally as Alexander the Great went as far the Indus River, an Indian Civ would likely be included. As for the other regional variations, they could do something similar with modified Athenian/Spartan/Achaemenid Civs for the campaign players.
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James3157 Dec 7, 2024 @ 9:09pm 
Originally posted by Plokmijnuh:
Maybe Thracians, Macedonians, and an Indian Civ. And then the next period could focus on Seleucids and others.

Thracians as in they get a campaign starting before Alexander? The time period between the last Spartan mission and when Alexander became old enough to command an army is potentially wide enough that Thracians could get a six mission campaign before the Macedonians. If Thracians were to be included in this dlc I think that they either be included for the first campaign or the last campaign, but not the middle because of the Indian campaign needing to take place shortly after the Macedonian campaign which should be the second or third campaign for the Indians depending on what order the campaign is supposed to be for Alexander.
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James3157 Dec 7, 2024 @ 9:27pm 
If Thracians get a campaign before Alexander I can think of one example from this link here. It ended 401 B.C or B.C.E that resulted in their victory against Clearchus, but only problem is that it is listed as a battle instead of an actual war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearchus_of_Sparta

They was another battle from 376 B.C or B.C.E that resulted in defeat for Thracians against Chabrias, but again it is listed as a battle and not a war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabrias

Main link for Thracian Warfare is listed here. The link also mentions that the events from the years 401 and 376 are battles instead of wars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracian_warfare
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Bad_soup Dec 8, 2024 @ 4:19am 
Small note: it wasn't Alexander at the end of the campaign cinematic it was Phillip, his father who united/conquered the Greek city states. So the campaign may include that as a prologue maybe, or it could include the Thebens as they defeated the Spartans prior to Phillip II's arrival.
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Serious Sam Dec 8, 2024 @ 4:22am 
That was Philip? Of course I thought it was Alexander :(
Well, maybe if Philip is right, the next one might be the Alexander campaign.
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Bad_soup Dec 8, 2024 @ 5:20am 
I would be surprised if they don't also include Alexander, Phillip's role might just be to set up Alexander's conquest of Persia.

Honestly I don't mind how they go about it, there's a lot of history and they obviously can't cover it all. I'm interested to see how long the chronicles 'series' will end up being and how much they will cover.
Crossil Dec 8, 2024 @ 3:57pm 
The next 100 year time span covers Alexander's time and the Diadochi. And I guess it would be three civs like Battle for Greece, each with a campaign section. I guess I'll repeat my speculation from another thread.


The problem is, you first need to get to Alexander, so my assumption is that the first part of the campaign will be played as another civ, possibly dealing with the aftermath of Battle for Greece. If so, then the Thebans/Boeotians could be a civ, and that could deal with the short lived Theban Hegemony.

Alternatively, if it doesn't have to be directly connected to the Greek proper area, you could have Thracians or Illyrians as leaders of the first campaign, as the Macedonians had to deal with both of them. In fact, both of them are present in the Rome at War mode, compared to the Thebans which aren't part of it.


The second part is Alexander's campaign, of course.


The third part is tricky, because it can be several things. The Seleucids are possible, as the most prominent state, but they wouldn't appear before in previous two campaign sections as they only came to be after the Diadochi. You wanna see these three civs appearing in each other's section.

Any Indian civ also ends up doing this. They can't appear until Alexander's campaign into India and then would mostly focus on their internal fights. At most they'd fight the eastern Satraps and fight off Seleucus campaign into India. However, they also suffer from the fact that they don't connect narratively to anything going forward, or to the Diadochi itself. I presume the next chapter of Chronicles will go west into Rome, so having India as the drop off point is kinda contrary to the narrative structure.

Which is why I prefer the Egyptians as the third section. For one, they appear in the Battle for Greece already under the Persians and could appear in Thracian and Macedonian parts of the campaign both as Achaemenid auxiliaries and as the territory Alexander conquered midway through his campaign. And then for the third section you have the Ptolemic Egypt, participating in the Diadochi and potentially serving as a good segway west, to Carthage or Syracuse, and the Romans.


My personal guess is Thracians, Macedonians and Egyptians. I do think the first section could realistically be Thebans, Illyrians or Thracians, but the third section feels like it would only fit the Egyptians, for me.
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James3157 Dec 8, 2024 @ 7:32pm 
Originally posted by Crossil:
Which is why I prefer the Egyptians as the third section. For one, they appear in the Battle for Greece already under the Persians and could appear in Thracian and Macedonian parts of the campaign both as Achaemenid auxiliaries and as the territory Alexander conquered midway through his campaign. And then for the third section you have the Ptolemic Egypt, participating in the Diadochi and potentially serving as a good segway west, to Carthage or Syracuse, and the Romans.


My personal guess is Thracians, Macedonians and Egyptians. I do think the first section could realistically be Thebans, Illyrians or Thracians, but the third section feels like it would only fit the Egyptians, for me.

Alexander's empire deteriorated quickly and was weakened after his death. It may be possible that Egyptians get a campaign where they overthrow the Macedonians from first mission and continue from there, but it would probably the shortest campaign of the three with six missions for Egyptians and Alexander would definitely be the longest campaign with 8 missions. This is of course assuming it will have 21 missions similar to the previous dlc. It is also possible that it might have 16 missions instead of 21, but only the Macedonian campaign gets six missions. Romans should not get a campaign too early, because there was a large gap between Alexander the Great and the Romans.
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Serious Sam Dec 9, 2024 @ 2:32am 
However, if Macedonia is really added, Phalanx and Hetairoi will become unique units. India will probably have Elephant Archers?
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Bad_soup Dec 9, 2024 @ 4:19am 
It would be cool to see the Macedonian's get a unique variant of the the hoplite. They were known for having spears twice the length of the Greeks, something similar to the Incan Kamayuk would be neat.
Serious Sam Dec 9, 2024 @ 4:25am 
It would be cool if the phalanx fights in the front like the hammer and anvil and the Hetairoi cavalry attacks the rear, causing additional damage, but technically that wouldn't work in AOE2, right?
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