How do you counter bohemiam bombard + wagon rush??

[AgentFlea]

Even on Arena, can't really pressure them because bombards are more mobile than trebs.
And can't really get past a wall of wagons because of such high defense.
Often I can't even rush in with Cavalry because a smart player will keep their wagons and bombards back, while slowly advancing and tearing down castles

[KaRma]

You have to think in which age you have advantage and in which age your opponent have advantage.

Bohemians are really OP in imperial age (houfnice + halbs with bonus + hussite wagon) so, you have to try to win before your enemy get that combo. Maybe, you can do tower rush in feudal or attack in castle age with monks, castle drop, siege tower...

If you do that, you can lose 50% or win 50%, but if the enemies do their combos, you will lose 100%.

[Kampfschwein Fjonda]

If wagons are solo, they die to Onagers quite fast.

[Jäveln]

but noone jsut sends in wagons solo and those houfnices destroy anything slow like a onager so it is quite hell. found only reliable tactics is swmaping them with trash and if you are good and can send some fast units around to attack houfnices

[dannyc2012]

The method i use is to deny gold. Castle drop the gold (main gold if you can. Not possible on Arena). Have a small army to defend the castle. Break thru walls on arena and attack the eco (Boheminas vills with Fevor can move at 1.1 speed so archer and fast moving units are the only bet against them)

Onager, Bombard canon, Skirmisher, halb combo

Skirmishers (deals with halbs and food monks), Also melee units die in friendly fire. So ranged units are safe choice

Onager (+50 damage to Hussite wagon) and Bombard cannons (to attack from a distance without dying). I thought Siege Onager would do more damage. Nope

with a few halbs mixed in (keep these behind the skirms)

Or choose a civ which deals with siege effectively (mongols - Steppe lancer, Mangudai, Onager)

I not sure about this but i think Burgundian are good against Bohemians (gunpowder units +25% attack). Coustillier does ok against Hussite wagons and can deal with small group of halbs too. Good against archers

Beware. Bohemians have redemption and can convert your buildings and onagers

Skirms can also be use to block hussite wagons

[dannyc2012]

Someone had suggested a while back that walls can keep Hussite wagons out. This works to protect your eco

You also need masonry to reduce damage to building from Hussite wagon. Elite Hussite wagons are OP so castle age damage is important

[dannyc2012]

Originally posted by Jäveln:

but noone jsut sends in wagons solo and those houfnices destroy anything slow like a onager so it is quite hell. found only reliable tactics is swmaping them with trash and if you are good and can send some fast units around to attack houfnices

Bohemians need a nerf long long time ago

The civ is just ridiculous. -100w per age (discount on blacksmith and university). Free mining camp upgrades. Vills that move at 1.1 speed. UT which dont cost as much compare to other civs. Food monks with redemption. Halb with +25% bonus damage. Only Houfnice is expensive tech to upgrade

Hussite wagon cost as much as a Battle elephant (food replaced by wood). Thing is, Battle Elephants aren't that tanky (dies easily to halbs and every civ can convert it). Hussite wagon counters are expensive and slow to build for most civs. Elite Hussite wagon projectiles get more damage but weirdly Siege Onagers don't do more damage (capped at +50)

Hussite wagons are Shotguns with the micro of archers and armor of siege

[TheDiaper]

-Apply early pressure
-Cut tree and raid

[TheDiaper]

Originally posted by dannyc2012:

Originally posted by Jäveln:

but noone jsut sends in wagons solo and those houfnices destroy anything slow like a onager so it is quite hell. found only reliable tactics is swmaping them with trash and if you are good and can send some fast units around to attack houfnices

Bohemians need a nerf long long time ago

The civ is just ridiculous. -100w per age (discount on blacksmith and university). Free mining camp upgrades. Vills that move at 1.1 speed. UT which dont cost as much compare to other civs. Food monks with redemption. Halb with +25% bonus damage. Only Houfnice is expensive tech to upgrade

Hussite wagon cost as much as a Battle elephant (food replaced by wood). Thing is, Battle Elephants aren't that tanky (dies easily to halbs and every civ can convert it). Hussite wagon counters are expensive and slow to build for most civs. Elite Hussite wagon projectiles get more damage but weirdly Siege Onagers don't do more damage (capped at +50)

Hussite wagons are Shotguns with the micro of archers and armor of siege

No, they are ♥♥♥♥ on open maps.
And they lose to Mongols / Britons / Turks.

Mangudais kill wagons / halbs / bombards
Longbows kill halbs / bombards, warwolf trebs kill wagons
Turks bombards outrange Bohemian bombards

[dannyc2012]

Originally posted by TheDiaper:

No, they are ♥♥♥♥ on open maps.
And they lose to Mongols / Britons / Turks.

They are **** because the civ is badly design. But some civs have a hard time dealing with them

Turks (Janissary) do well against wagons. Mongols Mangudai and Steppe lancer combo is pretty good

Haven't tried Magyar Huszar

[dannyc2012]

Originally posted by Kampfschwein Fjonda:

If wagons are solo, they die to Onagers quite fast.

Not if there are 40 of them. They will one shot onagers. Especially elite. They are easy to get to

[TheDiaper]

Originally posted by dannyc2012:

Originally posted by TheDiaper:

No, they are ♥♥♥♥ on open maps.
And they lose to Mongols / Britons / Turks.

They are **** because the civ is badly design. But some civs have a hard time dealing with them

Turks (Janissary) do well against wagons. Mongols Mangudai and Steppe lancer combo is pretty good

Haven't tried Magyar Huszar

Magyar Huszar die to halbs

[dannyc2012]

Originally posted by TheDiaper:

Magyar Huszar die to halbs

That's why i recommend FU Elite skirms (only Turks don't have elite skirms but they dont need it). Skirms will also deal with their 25% bonus damage halbs

[TheDiaper]

Originally posted by dannyc2012:

Originally posted by TheDiaper:

Magyar Huszar die to halbs

That's why i recommend FU Elite skirms (only Turks don't have elite skirms but they dont need it)

Skirms die to bombards, period.

[dannyc2012]

Originally posted by TheDiaper:

Skirms die to bombards, period.

hmmmm...make more?

[TheDiaper]

And funny enough, skirms dont really counter halbs.