georgians too strong

[PAUL MAUD'DIB ATREIDES]

castle units is OP... thats light cav with alot armor and damage......

[James3157]

They are not according to 1v1 statistics for multiplayer. Georgians actually have one of the lowest win rates on AoE II: DE for multiplayer just like Armenians and lower than even the win rate for Bengalis on 1v1 multiplayer. In theory where Georgians might shine the most at least for multiplayer is if it is bigger than 1v1, but not for 1v1.

[Vemonia]

According to current statistics from the current patch, they have:
- the lowest win rate in ranked 1v1 out of all 45 civs, at 43.75% (2nd lowest at 45.86%)
- the 14th lowest win rate in team game at 49.30%

Source: https://aoestats.io/civs/

And the higher the Elo, the wirse it gets. So they definitely do not feel to strong. And if they somehow do, just play some Persians/Franks/Magyars/Slavs/Spanish/Malians, who are free and feel stronger.

[Quintem]

They are bad across all ELOs. Sample size is a bit low still currently for this balance patch but they've under performed the entire time. They're borderline unplayable. Even the civs with 45% win rate maybe had a few good maps and some good match ups. Georgians do have some good match ups but not many.

Low sample size but I've not seen win rates this low vs bad civ match ups. 26% win rate vs Teutons. TWENTY SIX PERCENT!

I'm used to seeing 40% win rate for bad match ups. I can't remember but I think it's like a 50 ELO difference for like a 5% difference in win rate. It's an edge but nothing major. It's when it gets to 10% difference between to civs you feel it. You're playing at the edges of your skill. Either you're playing your best or your worst. With Georgians vs Teutons for example you're playing literally entire brackets worth of ELO difference. If you're a 1200 player vs another 1200 player and you're Georgians it's like you've been turned into a <1000 ELO player. It's not that you can't win. You just have to make mostly correct choices and they have to make mostly mistakes.

This is just a long winded way of saying. No they are NOT OP.

[James3157]

If Georgians having a lower win rate than Bengalis on 1v1 multiplayer does not embarrass someone I honestly do not know what else will. It also makes perfect sense for Georgians to benefit the most from team games instead of 1v1 or free for all as mentioned previously by Vemonia. The best chance you have winning as the Georgians from a 1v1 match is probably if you are playing them as a pro player vs. someone that is not a pro player even with a stronger civilization than Georgians.

[Jäveln]

like with some other civs they can become absolute hell and hard to deal with if they are around too long basicly gives them a constant +8 damage

[KingKickAss]

They're one of, if not the worst civ iirc. I honestly don't like the design of the two new civs, I find them to be overdesigned and flashy which really drives home what they've been doing with the DLC civs.

Of the two, the Georgians is the least interesting, and they're giving me this vibe like Bengalis Part 2. In-your-face levels of gimmicky. You will use the unique unit.

I'm going to curb my rant there because I can go on and on about the two latest DLC civs. Maybe I'll make a thread all about the DLC civs.

[Quintem]

Originally posted by KingKickAss:

I'm going to curb my rant there because I can go on and on about the two latest DLC civs. Maybe I'll make a thread all about the DLC civs.

Do it!

[James3157]

Originally posted by KingKickAss:

They're one of, if not the worst civ iirc. I honestly don't like the design of the two new civs, I find them to be overdesigned and flashy which really drives home what they've been doing with the DLC civs.

Of the two, the Georgians is the least interesting, and they're giving me this vibe like Bengalis Part 2. In-your-face levels of gimmicky. You will use the unique unit.

I'm going to curb my rant there because I can go on and on about the two latest DLC civs. Maybe I'll make a thread all about the DLC civs.

Georgians overall seems more like an experimental civilization that might be more practical for playing as from single player (campaigns, custom scenarios, and skirmishes) and for multiplayer team games, but not necessarily for 1v1 multiplayer. Only exception is a pro player playing as the Georgians vs. someone who is not a pro playing as some other civilization besides the Georgians, Armenians, or some other weak civilization for 1v1 multiplayer having a more fair chance of winning as the Georgians from 1v1; although, it probably would be embarrassing for a pro player as the Georgians to lose against an intermediate player as the Teutons on 1v1.