Finally changed my review for AoE2:DE to "not recommended"

[Krosis Priest]

Enough is enough, and the devs' hard work has successfully turned me from "enthusiastic supporter" to giving back the exact same "♥♥♥♥ you" they have been giving to the majority of their playerbase for a long time now.

I recommend doing the same to everyone who has been waiting for the devs to finally fix all the broken things about single player and thought that reporting the same issues over and over (with proof) will finally do something, and instead got improvements to multiplayer and Extreme difficulty played by five people training for ranked. Oh, and free bugs with every update that affect even how hard it is to select units and buildings at this point. And RoR with completely broken single player on release.

You've made a pretty much brilliant remake of a brilliant game actively infuriating to play most of the time for most people who play it not just because you're trying to make it the new espurts bandwagon. Congratulations.

Now please ban me again for saying bad word instead of the people actively harassing beginner players. I will be very very sad.

[Moist Butt]

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

Messaggio originale di Moist Butt:

they were nerfed for a reason... They are already a very flexible civ to begin with. Turks dont have upgrade for skrim or spear for the longest time. I just dont see a reason to add it if ppl were fine with turks having complete garbage trash for decades.

That's why i don't play turks LOL. Nah. Its the gun power unique unit. Same reason i don't play Bohemians. Hussite wagons vs Hindustani camels was the funniest thing i played/watched in my replay. Since i cant see the human/elephant dying i don't feel guilty. Cardboard collapsing

Team games turks can be annoying to deal with

I feel like u are dragging this way more than it needs to be. It doesnt matter what civ u play. Tell me why they deserve the buff. You having 10 spearman and can't upgrade isn't a good reason.

Edit: actually don't bother. just searched u up and saw u have played 2 ranked game. classic

[dannyc2012]

Messaggio originale di Moist Butt:

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

Edit: actually don't bother. just searched u up and saw u have played 2 ranked game. classic

Awesome come back dude.*claps* I did mention i played only 2 MP games and hard lessons were learnt about build orders. importance of cutting down straggler trees or end up no building space in arena. And weird Japanese UU bonus where Samurai can defeat Urumi Swordsman

Improved a lot since those days where even Hard AI was impossible. Might want to check my achievements in the game if that is possible

Since i'm not worthy of being replied to i will leave you in peace

[Moist Butt]

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

Messaggio originale di Moist Butt:

Awesome come back dude.*claps* I did mention i played only 2 MP games and hard lessons were learnt about build orders. importance of cutting down straggler trees or end up no building space in arena. And weird Japanese UU bonus where Samurai can defeat Urumi Swordsman

Improved a lot since those days where even Hard AI was impossible. Might want to check my achievements in the game if that is possible

Since i'm not worthy of being replied to i will leave you in peace

don't take this the wrong way, but I have my fair share of interactions with low elo players or ppl that barely play MP and its never productive. Like u are literally suggesting balance changes and u only have 2 games played. I don't understand where u ppl get this much level of confidence in their ability or knowledge. I just find it outrageous that someone that barely touched MP is suggesting balance changes that mainly affects MP.

k you beat hard so what? I can beat very hard and statistically ranked higher than majority of the playerbase. I wouldn't dream of suggesting a buff to a civ that pros consider good. They were literally played in king of the desert.

You are right, you did mentioned it earlier. I skim read since you wrote a lot.

[FloosWorld]

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

And weird Japanese UU bonus where Samurai can defeat Urumi Swordsman

Samurai getting bonus damage against UUs is actually something that has been in the game around since forever. The way unique units are designed is to break the counter triangle which is why Mangudai or Magyar Huszars get bonus damage vs Siege, Cataphract has resistence against pikes or Mameluke gets bonus against Cav.

[dannyc2012]

Messaggio originale di FloosWorld:

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

And weird Japanese UU bonus where Samurai can defeat Urumi Swordsman

Samurai getting bonus damage against UUs is actually something that has been in the game around since forever. The way unique units are designed is to break the counter triangle which is why Mangudai or Magyar Huszars get bonus damage vs Siege, Cataphract has resistence against pikes or Mameluke gets bonus against Cav.

Just saying, I find that very weird. Can a real life Samurai actually do that thou? Best lesson are learnt thru mistakes. My first game to get a feel of what MP feels like. It wasn't a serious game thou but did go there to win


I lost the replay to that game but if you could see that game i had army but didnt attack him. He had zero army and he was trying to a weird fast (slow) castle. He had a very poor start

In castle age he had trebs backed by castle. And a castle to back that castle. My sizeable Infantry/archer army have no power over that.

Samurai are pretty situational units thou. No complaints, it's just funny.

Have a thumb rule. Against Japanese don't build UU and against Italians don't build mass cavalry including Elephant archers (Those Genose Crossbows are awesome)

[FloosWorld]

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

Messaggio originale di FloosWorld:

Samurai getting bonus damage against UUs is actually something that has been in the game around since forever. The way unique units are designed is to break the counter triangle which is why Mangudai or Magyar Huszars get bonus damage vs Siege, Cataphract has resistence against pikes or Mameluke gets bonus against Cav.

Just saying, I find that very weird. Can a real life Samurai actually do that thou? Best lesson are learnt thru mistakes. My first game to get a feel of what MP feels like. It wasn't a serious game thou but did go there to win

I doubt it but at the end of the day, it's just a game and there's a reason why memes like "10 elephants fit on a boat while 11 archers don't" exist.

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

I lost the replay to that game but if you could see that game i had army but didnt attack him. He had zero army and he was trying to a weird fast (slow) castle. He had a very poor start

In castle age he had trebs backed by castle. And a castle to back that castle. My sizeable Infantry/archer army have no power over that.

Samurai are pretty situational units thou. No complaints, it's just funny.

In that case, I'd recommend to have more trust in your units and just go for the attack :) It's something I also had to learn

(Edit: do you mean this game [www.aoe2insights.com] ?)

Do you mean when you were in Castle Age? Bc trebs aren't available until imp.

Tbf I don't see them being used often. I also rarely see Japanese player

Well, I got Cuman douched on my first ranked game which wasn't a nice experience and looking back at how I played when I started ranked vs how I'm playing it now, I'd say with some practice, it isn't too much of an issue :)

[dannyc2012]

Messaggio originale di FloosWorld:

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

Just saying, I find that very weird. Can a real life Samurai actually do that thou? Best lesson are learnt thru mistakes. My first game to get a feel of what MP feels like. It wasn't a serious game thou but did go there to win

I doubt it but at the end of the day, it's just a game and there's a reason why memes like "10 elephants fit on a boat while 11 archers don't" exist.

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

I lost the replay to that game but if you could see that game i had army but didnt attack him. He had zero army and he was trying to a weird fast (slow) castle. He had a very poor start

In castle age he had trebs backed by castle. And a castle to back that castle. My sizeable Infantry/archer army have no power over that.

Samurai are pretty situational units thou. No complaints, it's just funny.

In that case, I'd recommend to have more trust in your units and just go for the attack :) It's something I also had to learn

(Edit: do you mean this game [www.aoe2insights.com] ?)

Do you mean when you were in Castle Age? Bc trebs aren't available until imp.

Tbf I don't see them being used often. I also rarely see Japanese player

Well, I got Cuman douched on my first ranked game which wasn't a nice experience and looking back at how I played when I started ranked vs how I'm playing it now, I'd say with some practice, it isn't too much of an issue :)

Yes that one. That game was a year ago so details are fuzzy. I only remember my major mistakes

Treb wars was later. His samurai would be able to counter my Urumi Swordman. We both managed to get to Imperial . His castle become untouchable and with trebs just a matter of time my whole base gets wiped out. For a while i what can i do?

Resigned when i saw that he castled the main gold (pit)

Practice makes perfect. Got archer rushed so many times. Couldn't handle that at start. Now i'm pretty cool knowing how much the AI sunk into his economy. I just concentrate on Building more vills and garrisioning archers in TC to keep them at bay (vs Italians at Acropolis). Castle age and a Siege workshop and they run away

Bad idea to keep Villagers garrisoned for long time. Archers can enjoy their stay


Edit : I'm going to watch that replay now so i can kick myself LOL

[Kasbfaäfad]

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

Messaggio originale di ByzaQuattroStagioni:

as u said... food units destroy your eco. That's why cav is balanced.
Pro players think about every quirk in a map and call gg when they lose an archer fight. It's just very close when the game is figured out.

More like mobility. Losing a game when play a Hussar civ? Just send Hussars to raid the other players economy *facepalm* Counter to that is doing your own raiding. Oops. No mobility or HP

Yesterday i watch MBL make 47 towers and win. That could be a good protection strategy. Tower techs are too expensive but need to figure a way to squeeze them in

stone walls + castles is the obvious choice when u have such a problem with getting raided.

+ maybe u shouldnt do a whole feed just because of beginner errors. Else, when you play more than 2 MP games you will start maaaany threads... there are a lot of mistakes until you are decent.
I can btw beat extreme AI wo problems. It's something completely different agains real people

[FloosWorld]

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

Messaggio originale di FloosWorld:

I doubt it but at the end of the day, it's just a game and there's a reason why memes like "10 elephants fit on a boat while 11 archers don't" exist.





In that case, I'd recommend to have more trust in your units and just go for the attack :) It's something I also had to learn

(Edit: do you mean this game [www.aoe2insights.com] ?)

Do you mean when you were in Castle Age? Bc trebs aren't available until imp.

Tbf I don't see them being used often. I also rarely see Japanese player

Well, I got Cuman douched on my first ranked game which wasn't a nice experience and looking back at how I played when I started ranked vs how I'm playing it now, I'd say with some practice, it isn't too much of an issue :)

Yes that one. That game was a year ago so details are fuzzy. I only remember my major mistakes

Treb wars was later. His samurai would be able to counter my Urumi Swordman. We both managed to get to Imperial . His castle become untouchable and with trebs just a matter of time my whole base gets wiped out. For a while i what can i do?

Resigned when i saw that he castled the main gold (pit)

Practice makes perfect. Got archer rushed so many times. Couldn't handle that at start. Now i'm pretty cool knowing how much the AI sunk into his economy. I just concentrate on Building more vills and garrisioning archers in TC to keep them at bay (vs Italians at Acropolis). Castle age and a Siege workshop and they run away

Bad idea to keep Villagers garrisoned for long time. Archers can enjoy their stay


Edit : I'm going to watch that replay now so i can kick myself LOL

Well, just keep on going, don't feel discouraged by losses and mistakes as everyone has a bad play :)

[Marco]

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

Hand cannoneer is another unit. Too expensive and dies too easily to archer/skrims. They die so fast that even monks cant heal them. If the other guy makes it and they lose it, its GG time. Its very hard to mass Hand cannoneers

Are you sure about this? When I play teamgames, my opponents always destroy me with hand cannoneer spam.

Two examples below:
Here, green player with Burgundians had a horde of unstoppable cannoneers that my skirmishers could do nothing.
https://www.aoe2insights.com/match/230717157/

Here, blue player with Portuguese made lots of cannoneers. Maybe this one is different, because he took my skirmishers and siege weapons with cavaliers, plus his army was even filled with arbalesters. But, still: he controlled the center of the map by just using cannoneers only.
https://www.aoe2insights.com/match/235607646/

[dannyc2012]

Messaggio originale di FloosWorld:

Well, just keep on going, don't feel discouraged by losses and mistakes as everyone has a bad play :)

Thanks bro

[dannyc2012]

Messaggio originale di Marco of The S.o.D.:

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

Hand cannoneer is another unit. Too expensive and dies too easily to archer/skrims. They die so fast that even monks cant heal them. If the other guy makes it and they lose it, its GG time. Its very hard to mass Hand cannoneers

Are you sure about this? When I play teamgames, my opponents always destroy me with hand cannoneer spam.

Two examples below:
Here, green player with Burgundians had a horde of unstoppable cannoneers that my skirmishers could do nothing.
https://www.aoe2insights.com/match/230717157/

Here, blue player with Portuguese made lots of cannoneers. Maybe this one is different, because he took my skirmishers and siege weapons with cavaliers, plus his army was even filled with arbalesters. But, still: he controlled the center of the map by just using cannoneers only.
https://www.aoe2insights.com/match/235607646/

I will check your game and reply

[dannyc2012]

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

Messaggio originale di Marco of The S.o.D.:

Are you sure about this? When I play teamgames, my opponents always destroy me with hand cannoneer spam.

Two examples below:
Here, green player with Burgundians had a horde of unstoppable cannoneers that my skirmishers could do nothing.
https://www.aoe2insights.com/match/230717157/

Here, blue player with Portuguese made lots of cannoneers. Maybe this one is different, because he took my skirmishers and siege weapons with cavaliers, plus his army was even filled with arbalesters. But, still: he controlled the center of the map by just using cannoneers only.
https://www.aoe2insights.com/match/235607646/

I will check your game and reply

Doesn't work. Gives a error saying out of sync. I'm using the latest pup version so that might be it

[Unquestioning Soyim Altruist]

danny please stop spamming the page with your massive quotes and talking about things that have nothing to do with the topic

[Marco]

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

Messaggio originale di dannyc2012:

I will check your game and reply

Doesn't work. Gives a error saying out of sync. I'm using the latest pup version so that might be it

Sorry, forgot to mention that de-sync is a well-known issue and to temporarily fix it do a rollback of previous versions to watch older replays. Thing is, I don't know how to do it.