Opinion: RoR should add new campaigns for Choson, Shang, and/or Lac Viet

[James3157]

In addition to a campaign for Yamato, Babylon, Greeks, and perhaps at least one campaign from the original with Romans being returned back what about campaigns for civilizations that are still lacking from the original that could be added officially to RoR? Choson (Koreans) for example are included in some of the campaigns but they are always misrepresented by being historically inaccurate such as actually not being involved in Japan and especially not involved with Europe from the original game (such as for example Crossing the Alps campaign with Carthage there were no Koreans living in the Alps during that time period). Historically, there actually were two wars during this time period of Koreans (Choson) vs. China (Shang). They were called the Gojoseon–Yan War from late 4th century B.C where perhaps you get to play as Choson defending against a Shang invasion and Han conquest of Gojoseon from 109 to 108 B.C. Now the Han conquest of Gojoeon would probably only have three battles while the Gojoeon-Yan War would perhaps have somewhere around three to five battles, but I would still like them be added eventually to RoR. Also, since Lac Viet was added to RoR maybe they should eventually get their own campaign as well.

[James3157]

An easy link to find for these specific wars involving China and Korea during this time period is found here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Korean_War

[Mia Wallace]

RoR should never have existed in AoE 2 DE. I am absolutely against everything that has to do with RoR. Just a huge mistake. Really sad for the AoE1 DE community.

[James3157]

Originally posted by Mia Wallace:

RoR should never have existed in AoE 2 DE. I am absolutely against everything that has to do with RoR. Just a huge mistake. Really sad for the AoE1 DE community.

Overall, I enjoy AoE: DE, but Choson being misrepresented in every way is sad actually. If Choson had their own campaign they would not need to be included for any other campaign. The same is also true for Shang being misrepresented as well. At least these two civilizations deserve their own campaigns if not Lac Viet as well. It should be obvious as well that Yamato, Babylon, Greeks, and perhaps one of the original Roman campaigns should be included eventually for RoR as well. I think that if new campaigns were to be added for Choson, Shang, and/or Lac Viet it might also help improve RoR's overall ratings as well.

[Mia Wallace]

Originally posted by James3157:

Originally posted by Mia Wallace:

RoR should never have existed in AoE 2 DE. I am absolutely against everything that has to do with RoR. Just a huge mistake. Really sad for the AoE1 DE community.

Overall, I enjoy AoE: DE, but Choson being misrepresented in every way is sad actually. If Choson had their own campaign they would not need to be included for any other campaign. The same is also true for Shang being misrepresented as well. At least these two civilizations deserve their own campaigns if not Lac Viet as well. It should be obvious as well that Yamato, Babylon, Greeks, and perhaps one of the original Roman campaigns should be included for RoR as well. I think that if new campaigns were added for Choson, Shang, and/or Lac Viet it might also help improve RoR's ratings as well.

Since I've never played AoE 1 and don't know any of the campaigns, I can't say much about it, except that I think the developers should have worked on the AoE 1 DE rather than porting the game to another.

[James3157]

Originally posted by Mia Wallace:

Since I've never played AoE 1 and don't know any of the campaigns, I can't say much about it, except that I think the developers should have worked on the AoE 1 DE rather than porting the game to another.

The only other alternative besides being added to RoR for campaigns is making a Shang and Choson custom scenario from RoR/AoE: DE map editor to make it more accurately represent them historically; although, it may require a lot of work to do this as well. Also, not everyone necessarily enjoys making custom scenarios, because it can be a lot of work. As for Lac Viet I am not sure what they would have for a campaign during this time period, but it could potentially be interesting.

[FloosWorld]

Originally posted by Mia Wallace:

Since I've never played AoE 1 and don't know any of the campaigns, I can't say much about it, except that I think the developers should have worked on the AoE 1 DE rather than porting the game to another.

Porting itself isn't the problem as the call to update AoE 1 to the AoE 2 version of Genie was a good one - the approach to make it a DLC instead of a standalone game is however the problem.

Oh btw - can fully recommend playing AoE 1. It's a fun yet familiar experience.

[Mia Wallace]

Originally posted by FloosWorld:

Originally posted by Mia Wallace:

Since I've never played AoE 1 and don't know any of the campaigns, I can't say much about it, except that I think the developers should have worked on the AoE 1 DE rather than porting the game to another.

Porting itself isn't the problem as the call to update AoE 1 to the AoE 2 version of Genie was a good one - the approach to make it a DLC instead of a standalone game is however the problem.

Oh btw - can fully recommend playing AoE 1. It's a fun yet familiar experience.

RoR or AoE 1 DE 11 ?

[Flakstruk]

RoR is well enough made. Par with a movie ticket in cost and providing much more distraction.

Consolidating players into a single platform is smart business. My guess it was pitched as a Aoe1SE revamp but higher ups pushed for the consolidation. They don't do it for the love of it.

Its hard to understand the toddler-rage against it though

[BirbNotBird]

To be fair, I understand the frustration when a seperate game was crammed into your beloved game and ruined it.

Then what is a purpose of a game? Should it be a thing that tell numbers of players are superior, or how much fun you can get from it?

Idk but getting angry over other titles seem redundant and childish to me, even stupid if I had to say. Because the problems lie in how the organization pushing the product to the customer, not because they slap another products and make you feel being left out. Most of negative side on this forums are about the former than later.

It's too ridiculous how frequent criticisms on this media are about other numbers, when it's clearly how higher-up keep pushing deadlines and forcing both devs and us to cope. This trend of bugfest is also present in other titles as IV, though I haven't own the game yet.

[BirbNotBird]

Back to the campaign and I have to make seperate comment to differentiate.

No, I dislike the AOE1OG port, it's mostly about those people whom I mentioned in above narrates it, along with others opinions about just want to get everything from the get go. ROR campaign quality was great, even better than base game + DoI's DLC one or two swords campaigns.

I would love a presentation of each civ, but until they stop porting over outdated campaign or make another with it, I will say hard no.

Business men that don't understand the core quality of the game is bad, really bad.

[FloosWorld]

Originally posted by Mia Wallace:

Originally posted by FloosWorld:

Porting itself isn't the problem as the call to update AoE 1 to the AoE 2 version of Genie was a good one - the approach to make it a DLC instead of a standalone game is however the problem.

Oh btw - can fully recommend playing AoE 1. It's a fun yet familiar experience.

RoR or AoE 1 DE 11 ?

Both kinda, but preferibly RoR 11

[James3157]

It required a considerable amount of work, but I recently made a custom scenario for Gojoseon–Yan War on RoR. However, due the fact that the Liaodong Peninsula is hard to make the map is not 100% accurate either, but based on a 2v2 tiny map. Victory condition is win by capturing 2 relics (for a diplomacy victory, but not easy to capture) or conquering both Yan and Yan Guard. Starting Age is Iron Age for both Gojoseon (player) and Yan (AI). Probably Forgotten Empire would have done a better job at making a campaign for this than me, but at least I tried which as mentioned previously it is disappointing that neither AoE: DE or RoR have campaigns for Shang (China) and Choson (Korea). Yan Guards has some buildings and guards the artifacts (relics) who are also in the Iron Age and are allied to Yan, but unable to produce villagers and build town centers and population capped at 100.

[3-Pio (DQHD)]

Opinion: RoR needs its own DLCs.

[James3157]

Originally posted by Piu-Piu-Piu (Mac):

Opinion: RoR needs its own DLCs.

Lac Viet, Shang, and Choson are already included in the RoR version in addition to AoE: DE version as well meaning they would not need a dlc for more campaigns. I also made a 2nd custom scenario campaign as well playing as Quin (Shang) defeating Yan (Shang) in the aftermath of the Gojoseon-Yan War where the victory requirement is to destroy the enemy's wonder at Yan's capital. Next custom scenario is going to be Han's (Shang) invasion on Gojoseon (Choson) from 109-108 B.C where Choson is the AI and Shang is the player. Contrary to RoR and AoE: DE this time period is exclusively based on the Iron Age for historical accuracy purposes. Something that Forgotten Empire could have thought for adding to AoE:De/RoR involving campaigns specifically for Shang/Choson, but never did.

[James3157]

Also worth mentioning as well that mixing playable civilizations (such as playing as both Choson and Shang for example from one campaign) in campaigns did not exist yet in AoE: DE. This would only be possible in RoR, AoE II:De, and AoE III: De. By mixing in at least three custom scenarios that means I would be able make at least three historical battles (similar to Hittites having three and First Punic War having three) when combining Choson and Shang together with the first one being Choson vs. Shang and the next two being Shang (Quin vs. Yan and Han vs. Gojoseon). How do people share and download custom scenarios from other players on AoE II: DE? I really want to know.