Byzantine hp bonus

[76561199445077364]

Constant abuse of this, from Hideout to Arena walling in gates so they can try do a 4 TC boom into 8 archery range and build mazes into their castle etc. 11

With score ahead I resign, and like my earlier thread on map bans - you can't ban all the closed maps always

Even worse on Hideout and Arena when you can count the Byzantine villagers booming at your castle and outboom them but they make high hp mazes with crossbows and cannons and castles etc.

Please nerf the byzantine HP.

Fully upgraded elite obuchs take like 5 minutes to destroy a Byzantine fortified gate.

There is 4 closed maps in pool, 3 bans.

Everyone is just fortified walling half the map with two monasteries and booming until 100-130 vils.

You can literally count their villagers in your castle Spies and you can't do anything about it

[76561199445077364]

Twice in a row I play Byzantines and they just stick fortified walls on the map with cataphract crossbow at like 40 minutes. Literally so boring. Even fully upgraded Elite Obuchs take about 5 minutes to beat down the fortified gate,

[76561199445077364]

So boring trying to enjoy AoE & people turning 1v1's into a mega boom behind fortified Byzantine walls with 2 monasteries to counter Castle age siege etc on the closed maps.

Can't play the AI - they just walk into castles.

[76561199445077364]

So close to uninstalling this game vs the same Byzantine strategy twice in one night boom until 100 vils basically behind 7000 hp fortified gates etc. until 60 mins basically, someone probably start it somewhere and all copied it.

Still stuck playing all the closed maps with arabia favourited as well. 4 closed maps, 3 bans.

I've almost never been so disappointed spend all my time playing a game and this is the result...

[Kasbfaäfad]

Originally posted by -:

So close to uninstalling this game vs the same Byzantine strategy twice in one night boom until 100 vils basically behind 7000 hp fortified gates etc. until 60 mins basically, someone probably start it somewhere and all copied it.

calm down dude. Two losses in a row are rarely nice. However I doubt that this byz strat can not be countered

[76561199445077364]

Bro they had two monsateries behind a double gate with fortified wall

Obuch has a bonus against buildings and fully upgraded Elite Obuch they still took 5 minutes to take down a byzantine fortified gate

I could see the Byzantine villagers number all game in my castle before clicking spies it's so boring

It's so easy for Byzantine to do this into Fast chemistry cannons and boom to 200 pop then spam their arbalest cataphracts

I played on Hideout twice on a row separate days and two separate Byz players do this exact strategy.

There is 4 closed maps in pool, 3 bans.

[Deggo]

What keeps you from getting map control while they are hiding behind their walls?

[TPTI]

Originally posted by Deggo:

What keeps you from getting map control while they are hiding behind their walls?

he said it was Hideout.

On Hideout they just wall half the map. (after relics ofc...)

he said it was arena.

he said they walled in the gates on Arena with Byzantine walls.

[Deggo]

Originally posted by newdaewoo:

Originally posted by Deggo:

What keeps you from getting map control while they are hiding behind their walls?

he said it was Hideout.

On Hideout they just wall half the map. (after relics ofc...)

he said it was arena.

he said they walled in the gates on Arena with Byzantine walls.

That doesn't explain a lot. On arena, you lose most resources when staying in your fortress. On hideout, you can simply use sneak villagers or simply push through the wood line.

[TPTI]

Originally posted by Deggo:

Originally posted by newdaewoo:

he said it was Hideout.

On Hideout they just wall half the map. (after relics ofc...)

he said it was arena.

he said they walled in the gates on Arena with Byzantine walls.

That doesn't explain a lot. On arena, you lose most resources when staying in your fortress. On hideout, you can simply use sneak villagers or simply push through the wood line.

It takes like 40 in game minutes to push through wood line unless you do a fast onager, that is a 40 minute build order because your opponent banned arabia, when you may have eg work the next morning and feel like just dropping instead because the map bans don't work.

These drops all add up and eventually you'll be banned for hours and days at a time. Because the matchmaking gives you non arabia players who do their special wall booms on hideout and arena and you can't ban all maps.

On Arena the Byzantine trush walling in gates should be banned or nerfed. Celts drush and Persia TC etc all got nerfed.

It all boils down to 4 closed maps, 3 map bans.

Plus two byzantine monasteries & a market is basically unstoppable they can basically convert your mangonels and rams easy. So they've forced you into booming for 60 minutes until they reach Cataphract fully upgraded. No other civ can just wall the map and reach their post imp death ball like the Byzantines lel.

[TPTI]

aoe 4 cpu 100% usage, aoe 2 byzantines walling the map and booming even when score behind on arena and hideout you're forced to play every day instead of Arabia that is lucky to play now. Plus the AoE1 dlc review bombed and AoE 3 is the least popular I think?

Woohoo this is the golden age of AoE!!!!!!!!

[TPTI]

my advice is just to play extreme ai instead as all the TG's are Black Forest/Michi/Arena - not Arabia

Plus all the 1v1's are on Megarandom and Arena and Hideout and Coastal etc. and you can't ban them all

Plus Empire Wars isn't popular and all the lumber camps spawn in bad places etc. next to like 2 trees in a tiny corner of the big forests as if every map is Atacama

[Kampfschwein Fjonda]

It would be helpful to stress that Obuchs need several minutes to push through a Byza gate.
Maybe he played a civ without access to rams/petards.

If you don't know how to play a map, cry for mommy/nerf.

[Marco]

I must watch your games at Hideout/Arena so I can see what happened, anyway I don't think Byzantine buildings are OP. They just get more HP, but they lack Masonry/Architecture so they don't get a proper building armor like other civs do. The most common strategy against fortified walls and gates remains rams/trebuchets. Goth huskarls or Celtic woad raiders also get bonus against buildings just like obuchs, but you want to use them to destroy 'wooden' buildings (stables, archeries, barracks, houses, etc..) instead of walls and castles.

Originally posted by newdaewoo:

Plus two byzantine monasteries & a market is basically unstoppable they can basically convert your mangonels and rams easy. So they've forced you into booming for 60 minutes until they reach Cataphract fully upgraded. No other civ can just wall the map and reach their post imp death ball like the Byzantines lel.

They need to be close to the ram to convert it, that's different from converting mangonels, scorpions and bombards at a distance. There are hussars and cavalry archers to counter monks. By the time they have to exit their gates to convert your rams (let's suppose you attack walls instead of gates), they will be dead but such a strategy sounds weird for me because other players usually counter rams with cavalry (and even if Byzs lack blast furnace, their paladins can still destroy siege weapons easily). However, I often see people destroying walls with trebuchets on Arena and then send in their troops.

If this happens in team games, it most depends on your opponents' and your mate skill.

Elite Cataphracts must be countered with cavalry or archers.

And I don't agree on the 60 minutes mark and the other comment saying they hide behind walls once they get relics. Imperial Age can be reached in about 30-35 mins (1.7 speed) and conscription is usually the first technology to be researched. You can build a decent army before, most people even upgrade their armies later but they do effective attacks even before Imperial. As for the relics, exploration exists for a reason and enemy monks can be still kept away from them, or enemy villagers can be killed way before they build a wall in the middle of the map (Hideout). Even outposts can be placed to see any foes in the area.

[FloosWorld]

Originally posted by newdaewoo:

Originally posted by Deggo:

That doesn't explain a lot. On arena, you lose most resources when staying in your fortress. On hideout, you can simply use sneak villagers or simply push through the wood line.

It takes like 40 in game minutes to push through wood line unless you do a fast onager

Or you pick Khmer as Ballista Eles can already cut down trees in Castle Age.

[unnamed]

Originally posted by ByzantineStonewall2monasteries:):

Constant abuse of this, from Hideout to Arena walling in gates so they can try do a 4 TC boom into 8 archery range and build mazes into their castle etc. 11

With score ahead I resign, and like my earlier thread on map bans - you can't ban all the closed maps always

Even worse on Hideout and Arena when you can count the Byzantine villagers booming at your castle and outboom them but they make high hp mazes with crossbows and cannons and castles etc.

Please nerf the byzantine HP.

Fully upgraded elite obuchs take like 5 minutes to destroy a Byzantine fortified gate.

There is 4 closed maps in pool, 3 bans.

Everyone is just fortified walling half the map with two monasteries and booming until 100-130 vils.

You can literally count their villagers in your castle Spies and you can't do anything about it

bro, BRO. You have an Obuch means you have a castle. 3 Petards will blow a hole in the Byzantine wall and let you have your way with him. Bring 4 JUST in case. Wall is weaker than gate. Make sure you don't get scouted so he can't quick wall you out.