Which cheese strat is most likely to succeed?

[Yoda Nobunaga]

An example of a cheese strat would be spamming TCs and rushing with Spanish villagers with supremacy. Not an ordinary way to fight and very much a troll or a meme.

This is just meant to be a fun chat to discuss cheese that worked, there's not gonna be a ranking or anything.

[FloosWorld]

From experience, most don't know how to deal with the Persian Douche.

[Yoda Nobunaga]

Originally posted by FloosWorld:

From experience, most don't know how to deal with the Persian Douche.

What's that?

[FloosWorld]

Originally posted by Yoda Nobunaga:

Originally posted by FloosWorld:

From experience, most don't know how to deal with the Persian Douche.

What's that?

You play as Persians, make villagers until you're at 17 population, delete your starting Town Center and rebuild it near the opponent's Town Center. The Persian TC will always win the TC fight as it has double the HP and if your opponent panicks, they waste all their wood by trying to repair their TC.

[cornucanis]

Originally posted by FloosWorld:

From experience, most don't know how to deal with the Persian Douche.

Was gonna say the same thing (assuming we're talking about human opponents.) Technically the defender should come out ahead if they respond and defend perfectly, but the strength of the persian douche is that it creates chaos and it's very unlikely that the opponent will be able to properly respond. Chances are the person doing the douching is much more experienced applying the strat than the defender is with defending it which will lead to mistakes.

[Yoda Nobunaga]

Originally posted by FloosWorld:

Originally posted by Yoda Nobunaga:

What's that?

You play as Persians, make villagers until you're at 17 population, delete your starting Town Center and rebuild it near the opponent's Town Center. The Persian TC will always win the TC fight as it has double the HP and if your opponent panicks, they waste all their wood by trying to repair their TC.

That's a good cheese.

What DO you do against that?

[cornucanis]

Originally posted by Yoda Nobunaga:

Originally posted by FloosWorld:

You play as Persians, make villagers until you're at 17 population, delete your starting Town Center and rebuild it near the opponent's Town Center. The Persian TC will always win the TC fight as it has double the HP and if your opponent panicks, they waste all their wood by trying to repair their TC.

That's a good cheese.

What DO you do against that?

I've only played against it once so YMMV but the general advice is to leverage your stronger eco because they just wasted a ton of resources and villager time to come across the map and build in your base. They also weren't able to produce vils in the time their TC was destroyed, which puts them even further behind economically. That's why the defender is in a better position unless they panic. What you need to do as the defender is get up to feudal before they kill your TC. Don't try to shoot back, and only repair if your TC is going to die before you reach feudal - and don't over repair because repairing TC is very expensive. It's better to let it die then rebuild it elsewhere after you reach feudal.

You should be able to get up way sooner than your opponent unless they completely denied your food eco. From there you just need to make a few archers and it should completely stop any aggression in its tracks, allowing you to kill off whatever small eco they left back at their original home.

[FloosWorld]

Originally posted by Yoda Nobunaga:

Originally posted by FloosWorld:

You play as Persians, make villagers until you're at 17 population, delete your starting Town Center and rebuild it near the opponent's Town Center. The Persian TC will always win the TC fight as it has double the HP and if your opponent panicks, they waste all their wood by trying to repair their TC.

That's a good cheese.

What DO you do against that?

Against humans, I've seen the defender placing random palisades around the TC to make it harder for the Persian player to douche.

[Mia Wallace]

Originally posted by FloosWorld:

Originally posted by Yoda Nobunaga:

That's a good cheese.

What DO you do against that?

Against humans, I've seen the defender placing random palisades around the TC to make it harder for the Persian player to douche.

but it doesnt work :D

[meleander]

Originally posted by Yoda Nobunaga:

An example of a cheese strat would be spamming TCs and rushing with Spanish villagers with supremacy. Not an ordinary way to fight and very much a troll or a meme.

This is just meant to be a fun chat to discuss cheese that worked, there's not gonna be a ranking or anything.

The answer is, none, unless you enjoy playing against low elo legends.

Truthfully, any cheese is always bad against a player who knows what he/she is doing. Doing cheese means your early economy will be bad, and the other player needs to just go to feudal and do archer/tower/whatever to use the eco advantage over you to get into both military and eco advantage over you.

You want to win doing pushes? Learn both archer and scout openings.

[True Beard]

Not sure how cheesy (or ethical) it is, but the Goths/Italians sling strategy gets my vote as most likely to succeed.

On Arena, the Italian player stays Feudal and sends all their resources to the Goths. The Goths then go Fast Imperial. Once there, they begin spamming Condotierros and Huskarls.

I just watched Hera play against it. Not something I would personally subscribe to, or recommend for that matter. It’s some nasty stuff.

[meleander]

Originally posted by Chipper Monk:

Not sure how cheesy (or ethical) it is, but the Goths/Italians sling strategy gets my vote as most likely to succeed.

On Arena, the Italian player stays Feudal and sends all their resources to the Goths. The Goths then go Fast Imperial. Once there, they begin spamming Condotierros and Huskarls.

I just watched Hera play against it. Not something I would personally subscribe to, or recommend for that matter. It’s some nasty stuff.

ah yes, but I wouldn't say it's a cheese.

But I do use it and even if my teammates are really bad at the game, we still win. The thing with sling is, you need to have at least 1 person who is good at the game, who will do Goths.

[Yoda Nobunaga]

Originally posted by meleander:

Originally posted by Chipper Monk:

Not sure how cheesy (or ethical) it is, but the Goths/Italians sling strategy gets my vote as most likely to succeed.

On Arena, the Italian player stays Feudal and sends all their resources to the Goths. The Goths then go Fast Imperial. Once there, they begin spamming Condotierros and Huskarls.

I just watched Hera play against it. Not something I would personally subscribe to, or recommend for that matter. It’s some nasty stuff.

ah yes, but I wouldn't say it's a cheese.

But I do use it and even if my teammates are really bad at the game, we still win. The thing with sling is, you need to have at least 1 person who is good at the game, who will do Goths.

I would say it's cheese. It's an unusual or sneaky strat.

[meleander]

Originally posted by Yoda Nobunaga:

Originally posted by meleander:

ah yes, but I wouldn't say it's a cheese.

But I do use it and even if my teammates are really bad at the game, we still win. The thing with sling is, you need to have at least 1 person who is good at the game, who will do Goths.

I would say it's cheese. It's an unusual or sneaky strat.

I wouldn't say it's cheese because cheese strats are usually being used by bad players, and here you need at least 1 good player to be Goths, otherwise you will miss your timings.

I also saw this sling not working when Goth player was castle dropped at arena... XD

[IEatCats]

Originally posted by Yoda Nobunaga:

Originally posted by FloosWorld:

You play as Persians, make villagers until you're at 17 population, delete your starting Town Center and rebuild it near the opponent's Town Center. The Persian TC will always win the TC fight as it has double the HP and if your opponent panicks, they waste all their wood by trying to repair their TC.

That's a good cheese.

What DO you do against that?

Depnding on the skill of the player random house/palisade walls may be a huge waste of resources. Usually the douche will be placed near your berries to deny food, stopping your villager production and force you to build farms elsewhere

It is recommended to scout alternative TC locations, preferably near gold and wood so you can make archers to harass. Stone is a bonus, in case the Persian player starts to tower you can counter with your own towers. Do not repair your TC (unless its aging up), use your superior working no of villagers to gather resources, rebuild your TC and age up to Feudal (if you have not) to make archers. Build farms so you have food for villagers and if need be, add scouts later to complement your archers in harassing the Persian player's eco

When you have the resources, you can advance to castle and add more military to contain their eco

Deny their food sources and keep harassing villagers

Example from a pro player
T90offical: TheViper vs Persian Douche strategy

[meleander]

Originally posted by IEatCats:

Originally posted by Yoda Nobunaga:

That's a good cheese.

What DO you do against that?

Depnding on the skill of the player random house/palisade walls may be a huge waste of resources. Usually the douche will be placed near your berries to deny food, stopping your villager production and force you to build farms elsewhere

It is recommended to scout alternative TC locations, preferably near gold and wood so you can make archers to harass. Stone is a bonus, in case the Persian player starts to tower you can counter with your own towers. Do not repair your TC (unless its aging up), use your superior working no of villagers to gather resources, rebuild your TC and age up to Feudal (if you have not) to make archers. Build farms so you have food for villagers and if need be, add scouts later to complement your archers in harassing the Persian player's eco

When you have the resources, you can advance to castle and add more military to contain their eco

Deny their food sources and keep harassing villagers

Example from a pro player
T90offical: TheViper vs Persian Douche strategy

What Vivi it so not a cheese, it's a rush - what I mean is this is a strategy with a fallback, all he did was to block bushes :D this is a very hard to do the way he did it.