How to play as the Cumans?

[[CuCh] BillyJohnson367]

Seeking some helpful guidance to playing the Cuman civilization.

[grraf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eSZvky3hEw here is a boom oriented guide made by a pro player good for easily wallable maps or team games as a pocket player... pretty easy to follow and a good showcase of most of the cumans strengths.

[[CuCh] BillyJohnson367]

Messaggio originale di grraf:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eSZvky3hEw here is a boom oriented guide made by a pro player good for easily wallable maps or team games as a pocket player... pretty easy to follow and a good showcase of most of the cumans strengths.

Really nice. Will try this out in standard and hopefully help me in Arena multiplayer games.

Are Steppe Lancers worth it? Or is Knights, and their upgrades, more beneficial?

[HellHammer]

Messaggio originale di BillyJohnson367:

Messaggio originale di grraf:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eSZvky3hEw here is a boom oriented guide made by a pro player good for easily wallable maps or team games as a pocket player... pretty easy to follow and a good showcase of most of the cumans strengths.

Really nice. Will try this out in standard and hopefully help me in Arena multiplayer games.

Are Steppe Lancers worth it? Or is Knights, and their upgrades, more beneficial?

Using Steppe Lancers as Cumans is fantastic because they move faster and create faster with Steppe Husbandry, which means that you can create a large force of them, Knights are more expensive but still a must use unit as Cumans since they move faster also, keep un mind that in Castle Age is basically free Husbandry and in Imperial is when they move faster than the others.

[[CuCh] BillyJohnson367]

Messaggio originale di HellHammer:

Messaggio originale di BillyJohnson367:

Really nice. Will try this out in standard and hopefully help me in Arena multiplayer games.

Are Steppe Lancers worth it? Or is Knights, and their upgrades, more beneficial?

Using Steppe Lancers as Cumans is fantastic because they move faster and create faster with Steppe Husbandry, which means that you can create a large force of them, Knights are more expensive but still a must use unit as Cumans since they move faster also, keep un mind that in Castle Age is basically free Husbandry and in Imperial is when they move faster than the others.

Would you recommend Steppe Lancers in a 1v1 Arena game or no? Since gold is limited and they only have 60 HP, I thought amassing knights would be better. Perhaps team games are better with Steppe Lancers, since you can trade with your friend's market for gold.

[TheDiaper]

Generally you dont go steppe lancers in TGs, becoz they only have 1 base pierce armor and would get rekt by flanks xbows.

[[CuCh] BillyJohnson367]

Messaggio originale di HongeyKong (Busty Inca Clown):

Generally you dont go steppe lancers in TGs, becoz they only have 1 base pierce armor and would get rekt by flanks xbows.

I don't know, I just won two with using Steppe Lancers.

[TheDiaper]

Messaggio originale di BillyJohnson367:

Messaggio originale di HongeyKong (Busty Inca Clown):

Generally you dont go steppe lancers in TGs, becoz they only have 1 base pierce armor and would get rekt by flanks xbows.

I don't know, I just won two with using Steppe Lancers.

Everything works in low level games, but in mid-high level TGs, flank xbows + pocket knights is the meta.

[[CuCh] BillyJohnson367]

Messaggio originale di HongeyKong (Busty Inca Clown):

Messaggio originale di BillyJohnson367:

I don't know, I just won two with using Steppe Lancers.

Everything works in low level games, but in mid-high level TGs, flank xbows + pocket knights is the meta.

Well, stay up there with that meta. I'll stick down at the bottom.

[gojjko]

i believe tatars steppe lancers with a hill bonus cant even beat knights when evenly numbered. they are only good in melee-melee chokepoints and maybe raiding.

[[CuCh] BillyJohnson367]

Messaggio originale di gojjko:

i believe tatars steppe lancers with a hill bonus cant even beat knights when evenly numbered. they are only good in melee-melee chokepoints and maybe raiding.

Yes, the trick is to have more of them. Problem is, 70F and 45G doesn't sound enticing on a Steppe Lancer that features only 60 HP versus a Knights 100 HP for 60F and 75G, especially when gold becomes a non-issue in team games where people can trade. There is also other stats on Knights that are far better, like armor, "reload time", etc.

I think a small buff on the Steppe Lancer themselves or some other aspect of the civilization might help them. Of course, I know no one would ever agree to giving the Cumans a buff since people were getting stomped when DE came out and I'm sure some folks have their own justified opinions on forbidding a buff for the Cumans.

Perhaps a reduction in either food or gold could work, from either 70F to 50F or 45G to 35G or 30G. Or an increased in HP by 20+ for both regular and elite versions. Or increased attack. Or gaining armor/pierce armor. Or a reduction in "reload time" from 2.3 sec to perhaps 2 or 1.8.

I'm not saying to buff their Steppe Lancers across the board, but I am suggesting some sort of buff on any of its stats and ONLY one such stat.

I feel like the Cumans are sort of set in stone and nothing minor will come around their way.

[grraf]

Strictly speaking lancers are far from being ideal in anything except quick raids on exposed areas or as a intermediary unit to use until u can comfortably transition into either kipchak+hussar(often seen in 1 vs1 with excelent results) or full paladin(for team games where trade ensures an endless supply of gold)... only viable usage of massed lancers is in low rated 1vs1 or team games that don't follow the meta(flank player isn't doing massed archers or has very low numbers of them and isn't allowed the time to spam a decent number of them(at that point even lite cav would have sufficed in such low stakes play)

While the above is true for cumans the tatar lancers would actually be a worth while unit especially considering they cant have paladin(yet with the current balance i see no reason for them to use them instead of the keshick unless u got denied stone access/got no castles up)... as for the mongols they may actually be a viable stall unit(that is less gold draining) till u got enough castles&techs for massed mangudais to take on the raiding&dps roles along side their common hussars meat shields.
Rule of thumb for lancer usage: avoid them like the plague in multiplayer and only bet on them vs lower ranked opponents preferably in 1vs1 matchups

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Messaggio originale di BillyJohnson367:

Messaggio originale di HongeyKong (Busty Inca Clown):

Everything works in low level games, but in mid-high level TGs, flank xbows + pocket knights is the meta.

Well, stay up there with that meta. I'll stick down at the bottom.

hahaha yet another clown "need help for cumans"

same guy "dont want your help for cumans"

Messaggio originale di HongeyKong (Busty Inca Clown):

Messaggio originale di BillyJohnson367:

I don't know, I just won two with using Steppe Lancers.

Everything works in low level games, but in mid-high level TGs, flank xbows + pocket knights is the meta.

im sorry you get so many of these types of responses to your advice.. but im sure there are people that appreciate it, i know you post a lot of good advice

[[CuCh] BillyJohnson367]

Messaggio originale di Helikaon:

Messaggio originale di BillyJohnson367:

Well, stay up there with that meta. I'll stick down at the bottom.

hahaha yet another clown "need help for cumans"

same guy "dont want your help for cumans"

Messaggio originale di HongeyKong (Busty Inca Clown):

Everything works in low level games, but in mid-high level TGs, flank xbows + pocket knights is the meta.

im sorry you get so many of these types of responses to your advice.. but im sure there are people that appreciate it, i know you post a lot of good advice

1. Yeah, I'm the clown. Go take your disrespect somewhere else. I disagreed with his advice or did you forget that people can search for help and disagree at the same time?

2. He gave me meta advice for games in general. It had nothing to do with Cumans in particular. Yes, I needed help and I've received plenty. However, Busty wasn't advising me to play Cumans a certain way more than he was advising me to play multiplayer games per the meta and I choose not to be dragged down by metas if I can do something else to have fun, which I have. Since Busty stated higher tier games are more meta orientated, I stated that the meta players can stay up there with themselves and I'll play with the other casuals. There's nothing wrong with that. Busty took his leave and so did I. But here come the white knights to defend their idols.

[[CuCh] BillyJohnson367]

Messaggio originale di grraf:

Strictly speaking lancers are far from being ideal in anything except quick raids on exposed areas or as a intermediary unit to use until u can comfortably transition into either kipchak+hussar(often seen in 1 vs1 with excelent results) or full paladin(for team games where trade ensures an endless supply of gold)... only viable usage of massed lancers is in low rated 1vs1 or team games that don't follow the meta(flank player isn't doing massed archers or has very low numbers of them and isn't allowed the time to spam a decent number of them(at that point even lite cav would have sufficed in such low stakes play)

While the above is true for cumans the tatar lancers would actually be a worth while unit especially considering they cant have paladin(yet with the current balance i see no reason for them to use them instead of the keshick unless u got denied stone access/got no castles up)... as for the mongols they may actually be a viable stall unit(that is less gold draining) till u got enough castles&techs for massed mangudais to take on the raiding&dps roles along side their common hussars meat shields.
Rule of thumb for lancer usage: avoid them like the plague in multiplayer and only bet on them vs lower ranked opponents preferably in 1vs1 matchups

So, would a Cuman army comprise more of Kipchaks with Hussars being the meat? I never really used Kipchaks, but perhaps they could work better than hoards of Steppe Lancers. I've played 1vs1 where people mostly train armies of Paladins and castles to drain me. Would you recommend that strat for this opponent, but with Rams too?