Mounted Teutonic Knight

[Pev]

This Teutonic Knight is wasteful as slow as turtle. As Spirit of The Law stated, this unique unit almost not getting the fight he wants the most/useful the most, as easily slattered by Archers line. Why dont they go mounted on horse as history written this Teutonic order was Heavy Cavalry unit?

[Thermal Lance]

You sir just made me curious. I know wich unit I'll experiment with today.

As a reminder thought. Unique unit dosen't always mean the best a civilization has to offer. Some truly fills a very niche role. So, if the rest of the civ is balanced to compensate then it shouldn't be seen as an issue.

Also, historic inaccuracies are all over this game so this is a moot point to bring. Age of Empires includes some historic elements but often warp it around a bit for the sake of gameplay.

[Pev]

I understand the point where the game not as historically accurate, it works for the balance.

But this unique unit is the most unuseful one. No one wants to head to head melee with this unit for high melee armor. It's like no one wants to play with him strategically since high resources spending, slow unit, high melee armor.

So whats this unit best for outside of its cool appearance?

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Boyar is mounted Teutonic Knight

[Meogron]

Originally posted by GG noobs:

Boyar is mounted Teutonic Knight

And jet boyar is faster than knight line.

[Cheese-kun]

Darn I was just thinking about this recently and totally agree. I think Teutonic Knights should be equivalent to elite camels, with a lancer look to them to represent the historic battle on the ice.

The current teutonic knight could be delegated to a mercenary spot like the condottieri, if kept in the game at all.

[Marva]

Originally posted by Meogron:

Originally posted by GG noobs:

Boyar is mounted Teutonic Knight

And jet boyar is faster than knight line.

The Boyar is just a Paladin with extra melee armor, as a unit who's weak to two common melee units.

[Garudazeno]

Teutonic knights are fine, they aren't supposed to be able to force a fight. Teutons have an excellent tech tree with FU upgraded paladins, halbs and siege onagers, use those alongside your teutonic knights and you should be fine. No UU can carry the entire match, just mix and match accordingly. Paladins in particular match well with teutonic knights. I would agree that a slight cost reduction would be in order to bring them in line with other new infantry unique units like shotels, gbeto and other existing units.

[Forcedge]

Load all your TKs into battering rams and run them into the middle of the enemy's base. Boom now your TKs are immune to archers

[Vlad The Inhaler]

Originally posted by GarudaЗено:

Teutonic knights are fine, they aren't supposed to be able to force a fight. Teutons have an excellent tech tree with FU upgraded paladins, halbs and siege onagers, use those alongside your teutonic knights and you should be fine. No UU can carry the entire match, just mix and match accordingly. Paladins in particular match well with teutonic knights. I would agree that a slight cost reduction would be in order to bring them in line with other new infantry unique units like shotels, gbeto and other existing units.

they dont get husbandry so no they dont have full paladin upgrades

[Vincent_Krys]

The Boyar is already essentially this idea, but for further idea's improving TK's, there was a very detailed discussion on how to make Teutons and their UU more viable since Teutons are considered a lower tier Civ by most of the community and pretty much all the professional players agree. If you also look on https://aoestats.io/civ/Teutons they have a negative win-rate, plus they don't win late-game despite what a lot of people like to always bring up which is untrue. They actually win most of their games in Castle Age and Early Imperial. This is because of the lack of key techs such as Bracer, Husbandry, and Thumb-ring. I actively took part in this discussion and all my points are there so I won't re-post them, but for anybody interested here is the link to the discussion about Teutons and their UU and what to do to make them better.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/813780/discussions/0/3909619309899870797/

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Originally posted by Wall of Light:

Originally posted by Meogron:

And jet boyar is faster than knight line.

The Boyar is just a Paladin with extra melee armor, as a unit who's weak to two common melee units.

The OP want a mounted Teutonic Knight, all mounted units are countered by the same units

[Garudazeno]

Originally posted by Vlad The Inhaler:

Originally posted by GarudaЗено:

Teutonic knights are fine, they aren't supposed to be able to force a fight. Teutons have an excellent tech tree with FU upgraded paladins, halbs and siege onagers, use those alongside your teutonic knights and you should be fine. No UU can carry the entire match, just mix and match accordingly. Paladins in particular match well with teutonic knights. I would agree that a slight cost reduction would be in order to bring them in line with other new infantry unique units like shotels, gbeto and other existing units.

they dont get husbandry so no they dont have full paladin upgrades

I get your point but missing husbandry isn't a big deal in the lategame

[Marva]

Originally posted by GG noobs:

Originally posted by Wall of Light:

The Boyar is just a Paladin with extra melee armor, as a unit who's weak to two common melee units.

The OP want a mounted Teutonic Knight, all mounted units are countered by the same units

I know. I'm saying that being a mounted unit defeats the point of being a TK, and the Boyar demonstrates exactly why.

[e+]

just put them in siege tower jeez

[Pev]

Woah didn't notice the discussion was full. I mean yeah im gonna accept any upgrade for teutonic knight wether to be mounted (silly suggestion) or to be reduced the cost spending to make this unit more useful. I know this unique unit hard as back of the turtle when head to head on melee but their slow movement make it hard for themselves to be useful on the battlefield.