im interested with Poland Winged Hussar , think they will add Faction Poland to this game ?

[Erica Estrelina Hill]

want see Winged Hussar and dismounted Winged Hussar or Winged Hussar + new poland heavy armor infantry , thats cool

well ..... just my thoughts ....

[Zarrr]

First hussar style cavalry in Polish army were Serbian mercenaries (racowie) from 1498.

I don't understand why people are so obsessed about winged hussars, Poles could have as UU other units like Horse Crossbowman, Scytheman, Paviser, Heavy infantryman with swordstaff, Panosza ("peasant knight") etc.

[Zarrr]

Postat inițial de jonoliveira12:

Predictable. Hussars were invented by the Hungarians, not the Poles.

First hussar-style cavalry were Serbs, Hungarians just copied Serbian type.

[jonoliveira12]

Postat inițial de Sabata:

Postat inițial de jonoliveira12:

Still have not left. Neither like a boss or an employee.

Predictable. Hussars were invented by the Hungarians, not the Poles.

I was just about to click the unsubscribe button. Fancy that dude.

Now, I'm just straitening my tie, double Windsor knot ^^

And yes Hungary it is, buuuuut (drum roll.........) CRASH!!!! they never had wings!!!!!

Now for real, I'm leaving this thread. Laters guys.

You said that before, yet you continuously prove me right, time and time again.

They did, it is literally the first image on Google, when you type Hungarian Hussars. A 16th century (1500s) Hussar with wings.

[jonoliveira12]

Postat inițial de Zarrr:

Postat inițial de jonoliveira12:

Predictable. Hussars were invented by the Hungarians, not the Poles.

First hussar-style cavalry were Serbs, Hungarians just copied Serbian type.

No, they were Serbs, but became the Hussar troop type in Hungary, under Martinus Corvinus.
Before that, they were not Hussars.

[Erica Estrelina Hill]

what is happening ? so many reply !

but ... yeah .. i know they wont add poland :)

[Zarrr]

Postat inițial de jonoliveira12:

Postat inițial de Zarrr:

First hussar-style cavalry were Serbs, Hungarians just copied Serbian type.

No, they were Serbs, but became the Hussar troop type in Hungary, under Martinus Corvinus.
Before that, they were not Hussars.

Hussar is just Hungarian name, Serbian name is Gusar... It was national Serbian Cavalry long time before Matthias Corvinus. You should read something more than only wikipedia...

[jonoliveira12]

Postat inițial de Erica Estrelina Hill:

what is happening ? so many reply !

but ... yeah .. i know they wont add poland :)

They could add them as Wends, which would play along with Bohemians, mixed up in one civs, and avoid the already closed design space that other Eastern European civs already overdid.

Something like:

7d
Wends

Civ Bonii:
-Barracks upgrades Food cost halved
-Monks have +1 Speed
-Cavalry train 20% faster

Team Bonus:
-Gunpowder units +15% HP

-Taborites: Castle Age UT for Militia line, +2 Damage and cannot be converted (radical fanatics).
-Szlachta: Imperial Age UT for Knights, +30 HP.
-Bombard Wagon: UU, that has to deploy like a Treb, replaces the Treb, has less Range than Castle in base unit, has same Range as Treb Elite version, and even more damage, specially to buildings.

There you go.
Czechs (Taborites), Poles (Szlachta) and Bohemians (Bombard Wagon) in one civ. It really is not that hard, eliminates bloat, covers quite a few people and events, and even makes the civ actually good. Wends is a decent option for AoE2.

Also I would not give them Paladins, 170 HP + faster training Cavaliers is more than enough for Polish Cavalry.

No one really wants another Hussar civ.

[Zarrr]

Postat inițial de jonoliveira12:

Postat inițial de Erica Estrelina Hill:

what is happening ? so many reply !

but ... yeah .. i know they wont add poland :)

They could add them as Wends, which would play along with Bohemians, mixed up in one civs, and avoid the already closed design space that other Eastern European civs already overdid.

Wends is terrible idea for civ, Wends mean just Slavs, there is no need for Slavs 2... or other umbrella civ from this region.

Postat inițial de jonoliveira12:

There you go.
Czechs (Taborites), Poles (Szlachta) and Bohemians (Bombard Wagon) in one civ. It really is not that hard, eliminates bloat, covers quite a few people and events, and even makes the civ actually good. Wends is a decent option for AoE2.

Szlachta mean nobles in Polish, Bohamians are other name for Czechs, so yeah Czechs, Poles and Czechs in one civ... It look for me that your knowledge obout this region is really low...

[Antares]

*palm to face*

[Akos]

I have a better idea. Make them as non-existent in aoe2.

[jonoliveira12]

Postat inițial de Sabata:

*palm to face*

I told you that you would never follow up on your word.

Nope.

[Eternal]

The "Slavs" we have in the game right now are clearly just Russia. Everything they have is russian themed and every nation absolutely hates being compared to them but somehow for every non slavic person everything east of germany might as well be russian despite having rich History and being as distinct in compareson as chinese to the japanese

That being said the Wends as new civ would be a very clever pick. They are generaly seen as slavs living by the borders of Germanic people which fits perfectly, and it would also cover more than one nation + give a lot of potential to play around with civ bonuses, techs and units to make them different from the rest of the civs

[kud13]

Postat inițial de Eternal:

The "Slavs" we have in the game right now are clearly just Russia. Everything they have is russian themed and every nation absolutely hates being compared to them but somehow for every non slavic person everything east of germany might as well be russian despite having rich History and being as distinct in compareson as chinese to the japanese

That being said the Wends as new civ would be a very clever pick. They are generaly seen as slavs living by the borders of Germanic people which fits perfectly, and it would also cover more than one nation + give a lot of potential to play around with civ bonuses, techs and units to make them different from the rest of the civs

The original Forgotten design attempted to balance the 3 Slavic branches in the civ design;
1) The Orthodoxy, Druzhina, and the Kizhy wonder are all indicative of the Ruthenian East Slavs
2) The design of the Boyar UU had very clear Turkic/steppe influences, paying homage to Bulgarians.
3) The "red-brick" architecture set is actually more indicative of West Slavic and Central European architecture than the Ruthenian "White-Brick". It's not much, but it was something.

The introduction of Bulgarians in Last Khans really skewed things, though. The Boyar and Konnik are still (imho) backwards in terms of visual representation- see the Vityaz unit design in Cossacks for a more accurate representation of Boyar cavalry.

The problem is, the West Slavs are left with only a token mention from the architecture set and a few AI names. However the Winged Hussar UU is really outside of the (majority) of AoE2's timeframe. Addition of "Wends" (the German exonym for Western Slavs- Polabians, Pomeranians, Czechs, Slovaks, Silesians, Sorbs, etc) would give us a a "somewhat" balanced representation of the 3 "main umbrellas" of medieval Slavs- with Bulgarians encompassing all Balkan Slavs, which isn't strictly accurate either, but would give an "equal level of inaccuracy" to all 3.

And yeah, the "winged" Hussars were introduced to Poland with the military reforms of Stephen Bathory... who was elected king, already being the Prince of Transylvania, which was a Hungarian principality at the time.

[Zarrr]

Postat inițial de kud13:

The original Forgotten design attempted to balance the 3 Slavic branches in the civ design;

They had clearly Ruthenians in mind, they even gave them Russian language instead of Old Church Slavonic.

Postat inițial de kud13:

2) The design of the Boyar UU had very clear Turkic/steppe influences, paying homage to Bulgarians.

Boyars were also Ruthenian and later Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Muscovite thing...

Postat inițial de kud13:

3) The "red-brick" architecture set is actually more indicative of West Slavic and Central European architecture than the Ruthenian "White-Brick". It's not much, but it was something.

Your "red-brick" architecture is Backsteingotik, this style was characteristic to Nederlands, Northern Germany, Denmark, Poland and in much lesser degree in few other places (Scandinavia, Bavaria, etc.). It is not a Western Slavic thing but rather Northern Germanic, it was connected with German expansion to the East and development of Hanseatic Cities.

Postat inițial de kud13:

Addition of "Wends" (the German exonym for Western Slavs- Polabians, Pomeranians, Czechs, Slovaks, Silesians, Sorbs, etc) would give us a a "somewhat" balanced representation of the 3 "main umbrellas" of medieval Slavs- with Bulgarians encompassing all Balkan Slavs, which isn't strictly accurate either, but would give an "equal level of inaccuracy" to all 3.

Nope. Wends aren't just Western Slavs. Not only Germans used Wends name, Norse nations and Finns also used this term, but for example Finns used this term for Ruthenians. Even today Russians are in Finnish called Venäläiset. Wends just mean Slavs, Jordanes wrote that old name for all Slavs was Venedi (from which Wend name comes from).

Postat inițial de kud13:

And yeah, the "winged" Hussars were introduced to Poland with the military reforms of Stephen Bathory... who was elected king, already being the Prince of Transylvania, which was a Hungarian principality at the time.

Military reform of Batory did not introduced Winged Hussars. Batory's reform introduced troops/units made of one type of soldier (before Batory units were composed of different types of soldiers like Heavy Lancers/Horse Crossbowmen, Heavy Lancers/Hussars or Hussars/Horse Shooters). "Classic" Winged Hussars with partial plate armour were developed between 1540 and1550.

[B8B3B]

the original hussars as mentioned many times were serbs recruited by hungarians. did they have wings? we can't say for sure anymore.

however, it is worth notign that the ottomans recruited from the areas of bosnia and serbia a similar type of cavalry, not called hussars, but we know what they looked like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deli_(Ottoman_troops)