Tatar stupid op, a better turc in every way

[Hollowchair]

Now tatar have gotten too much buff, strong early, strong late. You cant terb vs them, once u treb they out treb you. They protect thier army with bombard tower, have all upgrades for cavalry, archer Is this game becoming leagues of legends with ubaldanced patch everytime? Its even worst to play against than the goth we got ''FUTURE OF THE GOTH''

[TheDiaper]

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[Hollowchair]

Originally posted by HongeyKong (Pleb):

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shows off how you dont understand, a civ has to be balanced whatever the elo is.

[jonoliveira12]

Tatars lategame is still not good. Use Scorpions, and see those Cav Archers melt.

Turks have a better lategame, as long as Gold is available.

[TheDiaper]

Originally posted by Hollowchair:

Originally posted by HongeyKong (Pleb):

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shows off how you dont understand, a civ has to be balanced whatever the elo is.

At least understand the game a little bit more than an average player (1000 elo) before talking about balance.

[Morvana]

Lol, almost all the buff tartar get are +1 to something not realy important.


+1 range for your treb ? Sure, they already have 16. So if I realy want +2 range I can spend hundreds of ressources on it (it's a good tech, but you dont need it, you outrange already evrything... It will be a small buff for treb wars I guess, or to take advantage of the tartar hill bonus.)
+1 pierce armor for the step lancers ? Sure, but they were bad, even with the +1 attack they get this patch it won't make them a "must have", maybe a "decent" pick ?

A free tech: sure, it's nice, IF you go archer (and not step lancers, in a standard game you can't make evrything).

And the flamming cammels, well, I doubt it will ever be usable with their cost and the tech needed for them. If you could build them without the tech there is a possibility it would be too strong to counter early attacks, maybe... against a bad player who isn't managing his units ?




So, we have small buff all over the place for a civ which wasn't good. Maybe it will be enough to make them good ? I don't think so, but we will see. But there is no chance for the Tartar to become op because of this so small changes anyway.


Turc are a gun powder faction, 2/3 of their bonuses are for them. Couman don't have a single bonus for this type of units. They are just so different! I don't even know why you compare them. They are like fire and water...

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by Morvana:

Lol, almost all the buff tartar get are +1 to something not realy important.


+1 range for your treb ? Sure, they already have 16. So if I realy want +2 range I can spend hundreds of ressources on it (it's a good tech, but you dont need it, you outrange already evrything... It will be a small buff for treb wars I guess, or to take advantage of the tartar hill bonus.)
+1 pierce armor for the step lancers ? Sure, but they were bad, even with the +1 attack they get this patch it won't make them a "must have", maybe a "decent" pick ?

A free tech: sure, it's nice, IF you go archer (and not step lancers, in a standard game you can't make evrything).

And the flamming cammels, well, I doubt it will ever be usable with their cost and the tech needed for them. If you could build them without the tech there is a possibility it would be too strong to counter early attacks, maybe... against a bad player who isn't managing his units ?




So, we have small buff all over the place for a civ which wasn't good. Maybe it will be enough to make them good ? I don't think so, but we will see. But there is no chance for the Tartar to become op because of this so small changes anyway.


Turc are a gun powder faction, 2/3 of their bonuses are for them. Couman don't have a single bonus for this type of units. They are just so different! I don't even know why you compare them. They are like fire and water...

The Timurid Siegecraft UT was so bad, they had to double it's effect AND make it give a secondary UU, for it to even see any gameplay.

You are wrong that you will not see HCAs + ESLs in grupos, those units complement each other very well, even though it is a Gold intensive army.

Silk Armour was worthless, so the fact that it actually help another unit is very good. The new Steppe Lancer +1 Damage buff is great, just watch SotL's video on it.
It was a much needed buff, as the unit was overnerfed in a previous patch.

[Geojak]

The dev team is trying to make every civ amazing, which escalates into leage of legends and everything feels kinda op, which is balanced in a way.

Alternatively they could have focused on nerfing too Good civs so that civs like teutons which were fine for over a decade would not need a buff suddenly. This could end in nothing feeling op and therefor striking balance, but also nkt very modern approach because not exciting enough...

It is a cycious cycle.
But any patch is better than stagnation!
Portuguese proper buff next pls.

[Hollowchair]

Originally posted by HongeyKong (Pleb):

Originally posted by Hollowchair:

shows off how you dont understand, a civ has to be balanced whatever the elo is.

At least understand the game a little bit more than an average player (1000 elo) before talking about balance.

i can get to 1250 in a day if I want dude

[Hollowchair]

Originally posted by Geojak:

The dev team is trying to make every civ amazing, which escalates into leage of legends and everything feels kinda op, which is balanced in a way.

Alternatively they could have focused on nerfing too Good civs so that civs like teutons which were fine for over a decade would not need a buff suddenly. This could end in nothing feeling op and therefor striking balance, but also nkt very modern approach because not exciting enough...

It is a cycious cycle.
But any patch is better than stagnation!
Portuguese proper buff next pls.

exactly I'm afraid of this game becoming too much of a meta game where if you dont play meta civ you cant rank up. Unless you are viper and hera

[Hollowchair]

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Tatars lategame is still not good. Use Scorpions, and see those Cav Archers melt.

Turks have a better lategame, as long as Gold is available.

ok this is a situation : lategame tartar has trebs and you want to seige them. they have walls with a castle and 5 trebs, cav archers, onagers. you come with heavy scorpions and trebs, you will get you @ss wiped. How would you seige that? Imagine now in black forest where enemy has britons + tartar. Very unfun game.

[jonoliveira12]

Originally posted by Hollowchair:

Originally posted by jonoliveira12:

Tatars lategame is still not good. Use Scorpions, and see those Cav Archers melt.

Turks have a better lategame, as long as Gold is available.

ok this is a situation : lategame tartar has trebs and you want to seige them. they have walls with a castl and 5 trebs, cav archers, onagers. you come with heavy scorpions and trebs, you will get you @ss wiped

Send Bombsrd Cannons, Hussars and Cav Archers then. BBCs destroy Trebs because Trebs miss small targets a lot.

You can also attack places without the Castle.

Rams are also good vs both Walls, Castles and Trebs (they deal bonus damage vs Siege).

Infantry with Arson, along with Trebs or Petards making a hole in Walls, will also overpower the Castle and the Trebs very quickly.

You have lots of options.

[theworld]

Originally posted by Hollowchair:

shows off how you dont understand, a civ has to be balanced whatever the elo is.

It doesn't, and NO competitive RTS does that. Sides are only balanced by the "best vs best" level of play.

[Hollowchair]

Originally posted by TheWorld:

Originally posted by Hollowchair:

shows off how you dont understand, a civ has to be balanced whatever the elo is.

It doesn't, and NO competitive RTS does that. Sides are only balanced by the "best vs best" level of play.

Prove your point it is easy to say no lol

[theworld]

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/balancing-multiplayer-games-part-4-intuition

If you have this iceberg of knowledge, or if you’re like Feynman who can rely on the icebergs of others, you should still know two things about maximizing the value of intuitions. Intuition by experts is better at solving complex problems than analysis, but:

1) The intuitive expert will be less sure of their answers, while incompetent people will be very sure of their (wrong) answers.
2) Having to explain yourself diminishes your ability to draw on your intuition in the first place.

This is too large of a topic to go into depth on here, so I’ll give only a short summary. There’s a wonderful study on incompetence that shows that people who are incompetent at a task (logic, humor, grammar, etc.) grossly overestimate their own ability at the task and are unable to detect expert performance in other people who actually are skilled at the task. The reason is that the very knowledge they lack to do the task is the same knowledge they need to evaluate themselves and others.

The result is that you will definitely have to deal with the loud complaints of incompetent people who are quite sure of themselves, and who might even have a well-developed tip-of-the-iceberg of reasoning, but no underside to their iceberg at all. I suggest somehow gaining enough authority that your vague feeling on a balance issue is able to trump their loud complaints. You might even try explaining why that is best for the game.

[Hollowchair]

LOLLLL i will make a new website called gfym and basically says that game should be balanced for all elo. This source is not trustworthy