Dutch civ

[Madness]

Why is this game lacking a Dutch civilization? It's hard to believe when there are far less significant civs in the game....

[theworld]

It rose to power as the period of time the game covers almost ended. "Latest" campaign ends in 1581, latest scenario ends in 1598.

Considering the above, the Dutch, who were quite advanced by 1600 standards are too modern for the game.

[Whakahoatanga]

Three possible reasons a Dutch civ is not present:

1. The Dutch Empire as a whole gets relevant starting at the end of the time line of AOE2.
2. The Dutch are partially already covered by the Teutons and Franks which makes a Dutch civ kinda redundant.
3. In the last few expansions, the Dutch wouldn't have fit in thematically except maybe in the Rise of the Rajas expansion.

Originally posted by Madness:

It's hard to believe when there are far less significant civs in the game....

Every civ in the game is relevant in the time frame of 350-1600. Just play through the campaigns I guess and read history books.

I definitely wouldn't mind a new DLC featuring new civs, especially from America and Africa.

Great Zimbabwe, Mississippi, Pueblo, Kongolese would be in my opinion interesting new factions.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Madness:

Why is this game lacking a Dutch civilization? It's hard to believe when there are far less significant civs in the game....

The dutch didnt unite untill what, the 80 years wars for independance. Before that it was all part of the roman empire and has alway sbeen 'occupied' in a way and before that it was the francs that (which are covered) in this game.


Otherwise you would of seen the ottoman empire in it, but its not.

[theworld]

Originally posted by NaliWarcow:

Otherwise you would of seen the ottoman empire in it, but its not.

What are you smoking? The Turks are literally Ottomans in this game.

There is even a historical battle, "Bapheus", set in 1301. You play as Osman I, the founder of the Ottoman Empire.

Your comment displays an astonishing amount of ignorance.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by TheWorld:

Originally posted by NaliWarcow:

Otherwise you would of seen the ottoman empire in it, but its not.

What are you smoking? The Turks are literally Ottomans in this game.

There is even a historical battle, "Bapheus", set in 1301. You play as Osman I, the founder of the Ottoman Empire.

Your comment displays an astonishing amount of ignorance.

I think you will find the complete ignorance is in you.

Osman didnt form the Ottoman empire at that time. Ottoman was just a small turkish state after that time. Smaller then the average state.

[Marva]

Dude, the Ottoman Empire was a bad example. It's like saying that Great Britain isn't in the game because it came too late in the time period.

[Ring Enthusiast]

Spain ruled the Netherlands for some of the time period being discussed under the junior branch of the Habsburg monarchy. About 10ish years before the Thirty Years War (1625-1655) is when the Netherlands became a fledgling colonial power and true European nation-state.

However, I do see where you're coming from; it is fun to have a wide variety of civs. At this point though there wouldn't be that much left in terms of gameplay to differentiate a new civilization from others in a unique way.

[Madness]

Originally posted by Unplanned Gambit:

Spain ruled the Netherlands for some of the time period being discussed under the junior branch of the Habsburg monarchy. About 10ish years before the Thirty Years War (1625-1655) is when the Netherlands became a fledgling colonial power and true European nation-state.

However, I do see where you're coming from; it is fun to have a wide variety of civs. At this point though there wouldn't be that much left in terms of gameplay to differentiate a new civilization from others in a unique way.

Excellent reply. Honestly, I am disappointed, since for quite some time it was a powerhouse of a civ, yet its either always underpowered compared to other civs, or just flat out forgotten :-/

[FlipperTime]

I would rather add the Goedendag as a mercenary unit, among the Swiss pikemen & maybe the Landsknecht.

[GamerCH]

Aren't they in AoE3 exactly because they are already covered by other civs in the AoE2 era?

[RightClickClassic]

just not signifcant enough in the Middle ages

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by Ivanka 46th:

Aren't they in AoE3 exactly because they are already covered by other civs in the AoE2 era?

They're in aoe 3 because its about colonialism. Can't really have a game about colonialism without including dutch.

[CHI LONG QUA]

Originally posted by NaliWarcow:

Originally posted by TheWorld:

What are you smoking? The Turks are literally Ottomans in this game.

There is even a historical battle, "Bapheus", set in 1301. You play as Osman I, the founder of the Ottoman Empire.

Your comment displays an astonishing amount of ignorance.

I think you will find the complete ignorance is in you.

Osman didnt form the Ottoman empire at that time. Ottoman was just a small turkish state after that time. Smaller then the average state.

There's also the battle of Lepanto scenario, the naval one set in 1571, against the Ottomans.

[Hartassen]

Originally posted by Unplanned Gambit:

Spain ruled the Netherlands for some of the time period being discussed under the junior branch of the Habsburg monarchy. About 10ish years before the Thirty Years War (1625-1655) is when the Netherlands became a fledgling colonial power and true European nation-state.

However, I do see where you're coming from; it is fun to have a wide variety of civs. At this point though there wouldn't be that much left in terms of gameplay to differentiate a new civilization from others in a unique way.

The 30 years war was between 1618-1648.

[Sulphur]

Originally posted by Madness:

...when there are far less significant civs in the game....

What was the thought process behind this affirmation ? Every civilisation in the game are highly significant for the time period, compared to a still non-existing country.