Who are the "good guys" now? Athens or Sparta?

[Praetor Invicta]

Sparta was a military slave state known for cruelty and Athens was a democratic trade empire known for art and philosophy. Yet it seems toned against Athens and pro sparta? Im really hoping this isnt the case because they already blew it by making Caesar a "bad guy" in the last game despite Caesar being a populist and hated by the patricians historically for favoring the pleabian class and moving to try to help the poor who were taken advantage of in the corrupt late republican period which was an oligarchy more then republic.

Also considering they had a african women kill caesar in a time and place where nobody of that description would be anywhere near is clear SJW catering. (women were not allowed in the senate). Its annoying to see a political agenda in a video game, especially when it historically does not make sense.

So... WTF are they doing this time around? Hopefully not another SJW catering fantasy... a historical based series should at least be semi historically accurate despite their current track record that makes Monty Pythons "Holy Grail" and "Life of Brian" look like historical documentaries.

Is Athens going to be a bad guy just for the sake of making sparta look good?

[Abisha]

think they make sparta looking like the good guy's do to 300 or something many people that play Odyssey will likely not be interested correct history

[Doktor Shen]

Aya was a greek woman, and she snuck into the senate chambers with hood drawn and with allies inside. Origins wasn't strictly adhering to some SJW or PC culture mandate. In this regard it was a story about a family -- one of the simplest, oldest and most common cross-sections of society -- seeking vengeance for the death of one of their own. Perhaps even more importantly, Origins is about the rise of Amunet, an assassin embedded in the lore as early as AC2, and one whose story I'm sure will continue in the AC game to come after Odyssey as she and Bayek and others finish off Cleopatra, Marc Antony and Marcus Lepidus.

With regards to who will be the "bad guy" in Odyssey, I would say you should look past the warring factions in the game and find the prominent individual(s) who are in the shadows or positions of power pulling the strings of the war. Someone who is deceiving and betraying allies, friends and the main protagonists to further their own agenda in a quest for more power and eden artifacts. My money is on Alcibiades. During the course of the Peloponnesian War his allegiance shifted several times. He was an Athenian general who became a Spartan advisor, who became an exile hiding in Persia, gaining their trust and support with the aim of using it to be welcomed back to Athens to help with the war. While in Persia he instigated an oligarchical coup against the Athenian democratic government, which only half succeeded since the conspirators managed to take control of Athens but failed to gain control of the main Athenian fleet located near the island of Samos. With the Athenians now at war with both Sparta and themselves, the democratic fleet brought back the man(Alcibiades) who had helped instigate the coup against them in the first place to help quell it and regain Athens...which they did. Alcibiades was reinstated as an Athenian general but later dismissed after suffering a string of naval defeats. He was exiled once more.

I would also say Socrates or at least his teachings will be deemed "bad" in the grand scheme of AC lore since he/they would probably fall or could be easily twisted in such a way to fall on the ideological side of the Templars. He was also friends with Alcibiades whose life he saved during an earlier war. He was a teacher of Critias who was a leader of the 'thirty tyrants of athens'. And more importantly there's a direct line of his teachings through Plato to Aristotle all the way to Alexander the Great.

Im personally excited for the game. I can't wait to see how Ubi weave their story into the events of this time period.

[Sir Noob Wulf]

Originally posted by Praetor Americanus:

Sparta was a military slave state known for cruelty and Athens was a democratic trade empire known for art and philosophy. Yet it seems toned against Athens and pro sparta? Im really hoping this isnt the case because they already blew it by making Caesar a "bad guy" in the last game despite Caesar being a populist and hated by the patricians historically for favoring the pleabian class and moving to try to help the poor who were taken advantage of in the corrupt late republican period which was an oligarchy more then republic.

Also considering they had a african women kill caesar in a time and place where nobody of that description would be anywhere near is clear SJW catering. (women were not allowed in the senate). Its annoying to see a political agenda in a video game, especially when it historically does not make sense.

So... WTF are they doing this time around? Hopefully not another SJW catering fantasy... a historical based series should at least be semi historically accurate despite their current track record that makes Monty Pythons "Holy Grail" and "Life of Brian" look like historical documentaries.

Is Athens going to be a bad guy just for the sake of making sparta look good?

I agree about the SJW agenda but its not the case here.She snuck in.That is what Assassin's do.And Assassin's Creed has always taken a little liberty with historical accuracy and not always to push an agenda.hell they made far cry 5 and basically the ultra religious fanatic evil army leader..was kinda right.

As for the sparta athens fight i think you can side with either side.That is what they said anyway.

[Darth Alpharius]

Multiple Endings, You can fight on both sides and you are a Mercenary.
So neither side is Good or Evil

[Kleerex]

Ever since Trump got elected, Steam has been infected with this SJW-phobia, and Americans always are the ones talking about it. Nobody else in the world cares about these things.

[Sir Noob Wulf]

Originally posted by Sheogorath:

Ever since Trump got elected, Steam has been infected with this SJW-phobia, and Americans always are the ones talking about it. Nobody else in the world cares about these things.

I woudnt say no one else in the world cares about SJW BS.But yeah we laugh it off more often than not.

[Praetor Invicta]

Originally posted by Sheogorath:

Ever since Trump got elected, Steam has been infected with this SJW-phobia, and Americans always are the ones talking about it. Nobody else in the world cares about these things.

I think most of the rest of the world stopped caring because it has already destroyed their culture. Not much you can do about it in most countries when your government censors you and you face harassment for having an opposing opinion. No freedom of speech is the death of democracy... but europe and most of the world are used to being cattle. The United States is just one of the last places where actual freedom exists enough to actually vocalize displeasure about SJWs... then again things are getting a bit explosive in places like germany right now in reaction to this problem. Countercultures create chaos.

[Toaster Maximus]

Really hate that they are going with the 300 idea for sparta but its the one the most common gamer knows best, Sparta was one of the most brutal greek city states

But hard to tell who really is going to be the full bad guys or good guys, they seem to focusing on people within each faction being bad here and there.

Jusdt my thinking and thoughts on the matter

[Sir Noob Wulf]

Originally posted by Praetor Americanus:

Originally posted by Sheogorath:

Ever since Trump got elected, Steam has been infected with this SJW-phobia, and Americans always are the ones talking about it. Nobody else in the world cares about these things.

I think most of the rest of the world stopped caring because it has already destroyed their culture. Not much you can do about it in most countries when your government censors you and you face harassment for having an opposing opinion. No freedom of speech is the death of democracy... but europe and most of the world are used to being cattle. The United States is just one of the last places where actual freedom exists enough to actually vocalize displeasure about SJWs... then again things are getting a bit explosive in places like germany right now in reaction to this problem. Countercultures create chaos.

Umm......No USA isnt the only place with freedom of speech.Or where people oppose the SJW culture.I have seen many people of many nationalities do the same thing.Its become a joke where i am from because everyone knows SJW culture is ♥♥♥♥.

[Abisha]

Originally posted by Sir Noob Wulf:

Originally posted by Praetor Americanus:

I think most of the rest of the world stopped caring because it has already destroyed their culture. Not much you can do about it in most countries when your government censors you and you face harassment for having an opposing opinion. No freedom of speech is the death of democracy... but europe and most of the world are used to being cattle. The United States is just one of the last places where actual freedom exists enough to actually vocalize displeasure about SJWs... then again things are getting a bit explosive in places like germany right now in reaction to this problem. Countercultures create chaos.

Umm......No USA isnt the only place with freedom of speech.Or where people oppose the SJW culture.I have seen many people of many nationalities do the same thing.Its become a joke where i am from because everyone knows SJW culture is ♥♥♥♥.

If that was the case explain why the last 2 stupid bioware video games where so SJW intense?.

[Sir Noob Wulf]

Originally posted by Abisha:

Originally posted by Sir Noob Wulf:

Umm......No USA isnt the only place with freedom of speech.Or where people oppose the SJW culture.I have seen many people of many nationalities do the same thing.Its become a joke where i am from because everyone knows SJW culture is ♥♥♥♥.

If that was the case explain why the last 2 stupid bioware video games where so SJW intense?.

Because EA is idiotic and are basically following konami in self destruction?
I will Give you some better examples.
Bethesda-Doom
CD project red-Literally every game
Rockstar- Just play GTA
Ubisoft- Far cry 5

[Praetor Invicta]

The USA is one of the last, not the last. I never said the last.

[Darth Alpharius]

This post seems to have de-railed!

[Sir Noob Wulf]

Originally posted by Praetor Americanus:

The USA is one of the last, not the last. I never said the last.

The nimuber of nations is not as small as you think though.

Originally posted by Darth Alpharius:

This post seems to have de-railed!

Yup

[Panic Fire]

Originally posted by Praetor Americanus:

Sparta was a military slave state known for cruelty and Athens was a democratic trade empire known for art and philosophy. Yet it seems toned against Athens and pro sparta? Im really hoping this isnt the case because they already blew it by making Caesar a "bad guy" in the last game despite Caesar being a populist and hated by the patricians historically for favoring the pleabian class and moving to try to help the poor who were taken advantage of in the corrupt late republican period which was an oligarchy more then republic.

Also considering they had a african women kill caesar in a time and place where nobody of that description would be anywhere near is clear SJW catering. (women were not allowed in the senate). Its annoying to see a political agenda in a video game, especially when it historically does not make sense.

So... WTF are they doing this time around? Hopefully not another SJW catering fantasy... a historical based series should at least be semi historically accurate despite their current track record that makes Monty Pythons "Holy Grail" and "Life of Brian" look like historical documentaries.

Is Athens going to be a bad guy just for the sake of making sparta look good?

Neither Sparta nor Athens are the good guys or bad guys. Each territory will feature differnt power struggles, and you will be playing a Mercenary fighting for both sides.