Saves

[RandomAttack]

There seem to be a lot of hotkeys that aren't functional: ctrl+s, ctrl+y, etc. Given this, the state of the rulebook, and so many "features" that can only be learned by experimenting with them it would be REALLY nice if we could save the game once in awhile. I'm already tired of getting halfway through a scenario and finding out something new and/or unexplained that makes me have to start over. It is very frustrating and simply not fun. Why is it so threatening to you as a developer if I need/want to save during a single player game?

[shde2e]

Yeah, it's really annoying when you're still learning the game, especially with how obtuse it can be.

You can always make manual saves, which is what I do. The load times are quite short, so it's not too much of an inconvenience IMO. Although we really shouldn't have to resort to that.

[RandomAttack]

Sorry, how do you make manual saves? I haven't been able to do that... Thanks!

[shde2e]

Easy: Go to the save file folder at %user%\AppData\Local\.uoc2\save\campaigns, make a copy of your save file (it should be the only one unless you have multiple campaigns), then store it somewhere.
You can keep it in the folder, but then the game recognizes it as a separate campaign with the same name, which get's confusing in the load menu.

If you want to "load", go back to the in-game main menu (ctrl+Q as shortcut), put your manual save back in the \campaigns folder, and load the campaign from the main menu as usual.

You'll probably want to delete your old campaign file as well, to avoid the aforementioned confusion.

[shde2e]

Also: If you're going to rename your save files, don't rename the campaign file you're actually playing right now. I find it crashes the game, and you need to reload. Not a big problem, but annoying.

[RandomAttack]

Thanks! Boy it would be sooooo much easier if the game allowed you to save (like just about every other game ).

[shde2e]

Yeah, but I doubt the devs will implement it :/

[EvilShimbo]

I think they want to avoid so-called "save scumming" (e.g. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SaveScumming)

But I agree they've gone too far. Even if you had the option of either retrying the current scenario or going back to the previous conference that would be okay, but having to go all the way back to North Africa because you can't beat "Roads to Rimini" is a bit much.

I use the same manual save strategy as shde2 BTW.

[RandomAttack]

I get they may want to avoid it for MP, but why would they even care for SP? Designer's right, I know, to do as they want-- just seems kinda arrogant. I don't compete with anyone regarding score, and I am NOTORIOUS for "mis-clicking" stuff, so it kinda sucks not being able to replay a turn. (And "undo" only works in some cases.)

[Oldfarticus]

Extremely annoying that I can't save in a single player campaign.

The manual process just makes me angry that I need to do it.

[shde2e]

If they wanted to avoid save scumming, they shouldn't have put so much RNG and obscured information in their game :P

[ammianus]

It would be nice if the game saves once the operation is done. So if you have issues, let say with Roads from Rimini, it does not return you back to Africa, but to Italy.

[shde2e]

That would be a nice compromise for solving the alternate path difficulty problem.

[eklos]

Agreed, who the F cares if I save and reload? why make it hard for me to learn and enjoy your game? the mechanics are not at all nearly identified in the tutorials, and the 'manual' is OK, but not nearly enough to explain core mechanics in a way that males in game experimenting not needed. Annoying, stupid and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ on them for doing that. shame