On Seraphina (Rant) (Spoilers)

[ayoth~]

I can see why a lot of people dislike her.

A spoiled girl who acts like a complete fangirl over Killia and even considered selling out her friends just for money.
An Etna wannabe who just screws with everyone with her ♥♥♥♥♥y attitude.

And out of all the things they could choose for her character development arc, they chose greed and money. The fact that Seraphina is basically all about riches to the point that it requires an entire arc to solve her complex so that she can grow is kinda sad. I would be fine if her arc was about her feelings for Killia but nope its Disgaea that ♥♥♥♥ takes too much effort

But oh well it is a NIS game after all.
She still deals a lot of damage (in my playthrough at least ), Balor Gaze helped me out a lot during my playthrough, and I still ship her with Killia, but I'd take, Rozalin or Flonne over her any day.

[Multihog]

Yep, it's a complete joke, and not in a good way. The whole story insofar as I've played is pretty awful.

[Trehek]

Originally posted by Multihog:

Yep, it's a complete joke, and not in a good way. The whole story insofar as I've played is pretty awful.

Not to mention it's not funny at all! Red Magnus is a lone bright light among a cast of gloomy kids. And where's all the hilarious fourth wall breaking? I've got my best laughs from Magnus' attitude and from the... secretaries.

[Multihog]

Originally posted by Trehek:

Originally posted by Multihog:

Yep, it's a complete joke, and not in a good way. The whole story insofar as I've played is pretty awful.

Not to mention it's not funny at all! Red Magnus is a lone bright light amont a cast of gloomy kids. And where's all the hilarious fourth wall breaking?

Yes, I recall Disgaea 4 having plenty of that, and I often found it funny on the whole. Disgaea 5 is a far cry from that. It must either have different writers, or the writer must've suffered multiple strokes during the writing process and lost significant amounts of cognitive function.

[Raikuri Hirei]

Well, I was expecting a turnaround of her attitude when her arc came around popping, but nope, I was quite disappointed honestly. Even the build up moment before and when she was about to get a new power up fell off as a bad joke, cause' I didn't get the same vibe I did when Zeroken, Red Magnus, Usalia, and Christo (though Christo's was somewhat weakest but acceptable) had their arc and rose through their problems.

Red Magnus turned from one of the most stupid guy in the cast into one of the most reasonable and actually caring for others' thoughts, and most of all, stopped referring to himself as his title, but as 'I' instead. His change of attitude and the way he viewed his allies, and how he learned that something that happens could also be his own fault was just a tip off the hat for me. This blew my hate off him instantly and turned him into someone I really respected.

Usalia had her moments, but the fact that she stopped feeding her thoughts on revenge, and instead to spend her time fulfilling the wishes of what her parents wanted her to do represented her growth throughout the series, from a child who lost her families and Netherworld, to someone aspiring to save it all, protect her new family and rebuild them. I kinda already liked her from the beginning, so it didn't really change much, but it kinda felt like I was watching my child grow up.

Zeroken, yeah, the little whiny, lying, and much to say, bragging kid. I thought this was a character I wanted off the cast most at first, cause' he legit felt like a 2nd Seraphina in a different, but somewhat worst aspect. But then his arc came in, and boy, he turned inside out differently. He started by acknowledging his weakness, revealing his pure reason of wanting to save Goldion, how he spent so much effort trying to achieve what Killia expected of him, and so much more. The whiny, showoff aspect of him all went away, and he fell flat on the cast with pure honesty. Zeroken, in a sense to many, felt like a little brother who became matured and more honest with his feelings.

Christo, was a little off the screen for me honestly. I didn't care for this guy as much as I did with the three others, and his arc felt somewhat weak. He had his moment and affirmed his resolve, but it didn't had quite the impact that it did compared to the rest above, but hey, I love the moments when he interact with others, him being like hiding the fact he's an angel, and the rest pretending to not know.

Killia, uh, as much as he is the protagonist, he kinda had some developments already going on before the game actually even starts (With him turning from Killidia to Killia, and supressing his inner Overlord self). Although the building up from the beginning until his peak point on his arc was quite interesting, it took a little bit too long to keep my interest holding on him, so it fell off short when he had his moments (Which was kinda late because I already had my eyes on the other three). The most reasonable and caring character of the team, learnt how to open up to them overtime, and made his strongest fear, into his strength.

Seraphina, yeah, uh, hell no. The entire reason for her arc was so dumb I can't even begin to find a reason why I should like it. Oh, and the moment when she obtained her new power, she went KYUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN and I facepalmed. For the first time in my life. I was legit expecting better.

If I had to list on characters based on favouritism and how they turned to be :-

1. Zeroken (Unexpectedly, I really love how he turned out to be after his arc)
2. Red Magnus
3. Usalia
4. Killia
5. Christo
6. Usalia's Yellow Prinny (I LEGIT LOVE THIS GUY'S EXTREMELY AND UNNECESSARILY LOUD PYON WHEN WE GO INTO THE CURRY SHOP)

No, there's no Seraphina in this list, get out.

[Totenkreuz]

I think people dramatize how bad she is, just like with Fuuka. She's annoying but it's not game ruining or anything.

[Honorable_D]

If she seriously stays as the "Oh-hohohoh, I am the most gorgeous!" for the entire game then yeah, she is terrible. I'm on Chapter 8 or 9...and it isn't looking good for her thus far.

[Overeagerdragon]

Originally posted by Honorable_D:

If she seriously stays as the "Oh-hohohoh, I am the most gorgeous!" for the entire game then yeah, she is terrible. I'm on Chapter 8 or 9...and it isn't looking good for her thus far.

You're going to be disappointed. She stays that way during the entire game with a slight moment in the spotlight during her personal chapter (14 IIRC).

[Overeagerdragon]

Ironically the DLC stories are better than the personal story arcs of each of the main chars with a small exception of Zeroken and Usalia. Then again; I've commented on other threads like this before in the idea that the story of D5 is basically a more extreme version of D2 and unfortunately they couldn't find the funny bone in this one whereas D2 at least had Adell as the semi-serious character with everyone around him being whacked in the head a couple too many times.

Again; just look at how similar this cast is to previous itterations of Disgaea characters then see how they fall short in exactly the regions their original did better.

Adell and Killia
Rozalin and Seraphina
Christo and Flonne (or even siscily for that matter)
Usalia and Fuka

Which leaves Zeroken and Magnus for which I really couldn't find any doppel of a previous disgaea character...funny how their story and development is better than that of the others....coincedence ??

EDIT: Why in blazes didn't they add Champloo in the DLC characters...he fits perfectly in the context of both mechanics and storyline. Yet another missed chance I think.

[ayoth~]

Zeroken is more of a mix between Laharl and Desco, but yeah hes kinda new. I dont really like Red Magnus but yeah his character development arc is the 2nd best out of everyone else I feel.

Seraphinas character arc is more of a joke tbh which is why i found it dissapointing.

[ayoth~]

Originally posted by Totenkreuz:

I think people dramatize how bad she is, just like with Fuuka. She's annoying but it's not game ruining or anything.

Im just dissapointed with her character thats all and probably everyone else who actually expected more from her.

Its not gamebreaking by any means (doesnt even have anything to do with gameplay) but still

[Duskyer]

Her character "arc" was terrible comic relief. Her one note of Sir Killia is mine got old in just the 1st chapter.

[Brave Sir Robin]

I didn't mind the D5 cast overall, but yeah Seraphina is down there with the really bad D2 characters. As others said her major story arc has no impact at all, and it doesn't feel like she's learned anything since the start of the game. It doesn't really make any sense, there's been zero indication prior to chapter 14 that she's troubled about what others think of her wealth.

[Izziee]

Originally posted by AyothSFH:

I can see why a lot of people dislike her.

A spoiled girl who acts like a complete fangirl over Killia and even considered selling out her friends just for money.
An Etna wannabe who just screws with everyone with her ♥♥♥♥♥y attitude.

And out of all the things they could choose for her character development arc, they chose greed and money. The fact that Seraphina is basically all about riches to the point that it requires an entire arc to solve her complex so that she can grow is kinda sad. I would be fine if her arc was about her feelings for Killia but nope its Disgaea that♥♥♥♥♥♥takes too much effort

But oh well it is a NIS game after all.
She still deals a lot of damage (in my playthrough at least ), Balor Gaze helped me out a lot during my playthrough, and I still ship her with Killia, but I'd take, Rozalin or Flonne over her any day.

I love her. Usually that kind of personality would piss me off but there's something about her that just has charm.

I however HATE killia (at least the English voice actor...I almost always exclusively play with Japanese voice overs but ironically, I love Sera and usa, red is also pretty comical and reminds me of Mr Torque in Borderlands) but Killia, oh man, that emo annoys the hell out of me.

[Tanasinn [AZ]]

I don't know why you guys expect a bunch of DEMONS to have a change of heart. They repeat that love shouldn't (doesn't) exist in the world of demons. Why would a demon who's lust for power over men and money ever, ever change?

[Duskyer]

Because that was the whole point of the character arcs. For them to change.