10 year old game, inappropriate pricing

[Rocket]

Just want to say, although I appreciate this being brought to the PC, it's an OLD game, and there is really no upgrades being made to this, not like trials of mana for example.
This is not even as much work to do as final fantasy 8 remaster. This price is too high.

[Aryend]

Originally posted by 2d0x:

Not necessary. Old things are in demand, for example, by collectors. This game is not inferior to modern counterparts and will be interesting for those who, for various reasons, missed it in due time. For example, many old films are much more valuable to me than some modern plotless rubbish with beautiful special effects.

As an avid collector (Figures/statues, books, comics etc...), I wanted to point out this just doesn't apply here, a collector item generally gets it's value not because it's old, but because it's hard to find since the supply when it came out was limited so past a certain point it gets harder to find and way more expensive. This is a digital item and the supply is basically infinite.
The only games on Steam that actually can be (and are) considered collector items are removed games, which again, is mostly due to rarity and unavailability.
Market value drops in time unless there's low supply and high demand, that's undebatable.

Edit: And it's not just about our personal desires, what we're trying to say here is it's also about the general market value of a product compared to other similar ones, aka competition, which there is a lot of in this oversaturated market... Point beeing this is way more expensive than the vast majority of comparable products, in this case other ports and remasters of last gen games.
We might not know how much exactly did it cost to port over to PC, but we definetly know it didn't cost nearly as much as making the game from scratch back in 2010.

Edit 2: Guess where most of our opinion differences come form is how we value said product. You seem to give it more of a sentimental value, valuing the game for how good it is and how much you like it, while me and Jessica seem to value it more as a product, based on the work behind it, how old it is and how much other comparable products cost.

[Odin Spark]

These threads dont make any sense. If it is inappropriate price for you, dont buy it. I would have easily paid $60 if that is what it would have cost.

[MangorushZ]

You know I bet if they price the game at $20 these poor peasants will complain how the game should be $10 or $15 instead because it's still an old game to them, either way it's their loss I'll be enjoying a great game on PC once it's release while they still come here to cry and whine how they're too poor to afford it and should be price lower so they can whine about not being low enough.

[Rocket]

If it were priced at $20 I would consider that a steal and I would buy it without even waiting for a sale.
I think an appropriate price for this is somewhere around 20-30 GBP which I think is the equivalent to 30-40 USD.
$20 is around 15 GBP which would be excellent value IMO.
The only reason I didn't buy the FF8 remaster for example was because FF8 is my least favourite FF game.

and btw, I am not too poor to buy this for the record, I can easily afford this, but I choose not to because I have self respect and I have a certain set of values. I am a relatively busy person with a reasonably full life and I don't need games to fill my life so I don't need to pay over the odds.

People like you need to take a step back and realise that just because somebody says they think something is expensive, does not mean that they cannot afford it. most people who cannot afford games, tend to look for other hobbies. It's not about being able to afford it and you need to get off that pedestal and understand that it's not all about money or how rich you might think yourself to be. You are not that great just because you are prepared to pay any price for a game no matter how disrespectful or unreasonable that price may be.

let me tell you about the game I am developing. It's a minesweeper game, it's out in a week, and it normally sells for a couple of dollars, but for you I give you a special price because you're such a cool guy and I respect you so much, so you can have a special edition and it only costs $300. You'll be the only person in the world to own that special edition so grab this offer right now while it's still hot.

Originally posted by Lord Rahl:

These threads dont make any sense. If it is inappropriate price for you, dont buy it. I would have easily paid $60 if that is what it would have cost.

your post equally doesn't make any sense. I didn't buy it and I won't buy it. That doesn't preclude me from talking about it too if I want to. We are a social species, talking is what we do.

moreover, it gives the publishers extra information about their target audience.

[2d0x]

Originally posted by Aryend:

...a collector item generally gets it's value not because it's old, but because it's hard to find since the supply when it came out was limited so past a certain point it gets harder to find and way more expensive. This is a digital item and the supply is basically infinite.
The only games on Steam that actually can be (and are) considered collector items are removed games, which again, is mostly due to rarity and unavailability...

A collection is a complex of several items; and it does not matter how new or old the items are, rare or affordable. Steam Games Library is a collection of games.

Originally posted by Aryend:

...Point beeing this is way more expensive than the vast majority of comparable products, in this case other ports and remasters of last gen games...

We can easily find examples of both confirmation and refutation. Therefore, this is not a convincing argument. In addition, there is a fair amount of subjectivism.

Originally posted by Aryend:

...We might not know how much exactly did it cost to port over to PC, but we definetly know it didn't cost nearly as much as making the game from scratch back in 2010...

Lyrical digression 1: In my opinion, it’s a little strange that it excites us. We say "developers are greedy", but at the same time we try to calculate their profit. How we are honest? We want others to give their goods inexpensively, but do we do it ourselves? Why do we evaluate their product from this point of view?

Originally posted by Aryend:

...You seem to give it more of a sentimental value, valuing the game for how good it is and how much you like it, while me and Jessica seem to value it more as a product, based on the work behind it, how old it is and how much other comparable products cost.

Lyrical digression 2: And how would you rate "The Picture of Dorian Gray", which was written in three weeks? How much more expensive is "Don Quixote", written in twelve years?
And, again: it’s just a matter of price (it doesn’t matter, old or new). Read the title of the discussion.

Originally posted by Jessica♥:

If it were priced at $20 I would consider that a steal and I would buy it without even waiting for a sale.
I think an appropriate price for this is somewhere around 20-30 GBP which I think is the equivalent to 30-40 USD...

I fully share this opinion. In such an interpretation, it is a wish that does not require proof. But when you say that “this game should not cost so much, because 10 years ago...”, it requires arguments (due to “should”).

[Rocket]

Originally posted by 2d0x:

A collection is a complex of several items; and it does not matter how new or old the items are, rare or affordable. Steam Games Library is a collection of games.

You have got to be kidding me... i'm sorry but this response here makes it look as though you are arguing merely for arguments sake. You can't take things so literally, you have to attempt to understand what the other person is saying. If you don't get what they are saying then I am sorry but this is a language barrier. this person has described this to you and you are arguing. if english is not your native language then you shouldn't argue you really should ask for clarification.

Originally posted by 2d0x:

Lyrical digression 1: In my opinion, it’s a little strange that it excites us. We say "developers are greedy", but at the same time we try to calculate their profit. How we are honest? We want others to give their goods inexpensively, but do we do it ourselves? Why do we evaluate their product from this point of view?

I'm not sure if this is what you're getting at... but I have two games on steam. one has been out a while, one is released in a week. one of them is $3.99 and the other is $0.99.
I price according to the market, I analyse what similar games sell for and analyse what I think customers are willing to pay for them. I even reduced the price of one of them after a video review pointed out that they thought it was expensive.
I follow normal pricing strategy for a marketplace, and I expect Bandai Namco to do the same. I'm not holding them to any different standard than myself.

[2d0x]

Originally posted by Jessica♥:

Originally posted by 2d0x:

A collection is a complex of several items; and it does not matter how new or old the items are, rare or affordable. Steam Games Library is a collection of games.

You have got to be kidding me... i'm sorry but this response here makes it look as though you are arguing merely for arguments sake. You can't take things so literally, you have to attempt to understand what the other person is saying. If you don't get what they are saying then I am sorry but this is a language barrier. this person has described this to you and you are arguing. if english is not your native language then you shouldn't argue you really should ask for clarification...

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/collection
The games I have access to is a collection. Why am I wrong?
Aryend described the “valuable collection”, but the collection should not be necessarily valuable because of price or rarity. "Value" may be the elementary desire of the owner to possess these things. However, even a few free games on an abstract account will be called a collection.

[Rocket]

Aryend did not say collection, they said 'collector item'.
Please take care to understand what a person is saying and if in doubt, ask for clarification. you are nitpicking and it's not cool.

[2d0x]

Originally posted by Jessica♥:

...I'm not sure if this is what you're getting at... but I have two games on steam. one has been out a while, one is released in a week. one of them is $3.99 and the other is $0.99...

I did not understand this argument. Do you consider a special case as an axiom?
Atelier Firis - 1049₽ (07/03/2017)
Atelier Lydie & Suelle - 3799₽ (27/03/2018)
Atelier Lulua - 1999₽ (20/05/2019)
Another example:
Octopath Traveler - 4499₽
Monster Hunter: World - 1999₽
etc., etc., etc. Which, in your opinion, should I conclude?

Originally posted by Jessica♥:

...you are nitpicking and it's not cool.

I do not see the nit-picking and still do not see the difference. In my opinion, this is not cool:

Originally posted by Jessica♥:

You have got to be kidding me... i'm sorry but this response here makes it look as though you are arguing merely for arguments sake. You can't take things so literally, you have to attempt to understand what the other person is saying. If you don't get what they are saying then I am sorry but this is a language barrier. this person has described this to you and you are arguing. if english is not your native language then you shouldn't argue you really should ask for clarification...

A few lines you make fun of me, and in the end advise me to ask for clarification. It would be logical (and cool) to explain right away.

[Rocket]

I don't know anything about those games to judge the market conditions and the customer expectation.

if those games are nearly identical then I would say the middle one is priced inappropriately.

[Rocket]

I'm not making fun of you, but I am getting frustrated because you seem to be arguing with every single thing any of us say for no apparent reason.

[2d0x]

Originally posted by Jessica♥:

...I am getting frustrated because you seem to be arguing with every single thing any of us say for no apparent reason.

I can easily end the argument. Will this be confirmation of your rightwards for you? Will you be satisfied?

[Rocket]

Originally posted by 2d0x:

I can easily end the argument. Do you need a win in a dispute? Will you be satisfied?

no, I only need to feel like the other person is listening. I have no interest in winning. I am more interested in making progress and learning.

[Rocket]

We all have our own opinion here and our own reasons for having our opinion, it is frustrating to me when somebody refuses to acknowledge my opinion. they do not have to share my opinion or agree with me, but I only want them to understand me and respect me and I will do the same for anyone else. understand and respect.

[2d0x]

Originally posted by Jessica♥:

no, I only need to feel like the other person is listening. I have no interest in winning. I am more interested in making progress and learning.

Even if the opponent answers inappropriately, this does not mean that he does not read you. The train of thought is often different even if the final conclusions are the same.

I have written above several times that I am not very happy with the price. The current price is not desirable for me, but I find the current price quite adequate. I understand the reasons why people do not want to pay $50 for this game. I just don’t understand why the price should be lower on a mandatory basis.

P.S.: I feel like Little Bessie by Mark Twain.