Whats "remastered" in this game ?

[CrimsonKing]

See topic, what exactly is improved ?

[Vilhjálmr]

Originally posted by ﾚﾌﾄ:

I could probably also point to games like Resonance of Fate which only offered HD textures and upscaling but had a price point of $35.

Man, Resonance of Fate was such an underappreciated gem on the PS3. I had to get it when it launched on steam.

And yeah, that 30 GB 4K texture pack was exactly how you do an HD re-release. Offer it to the people who want it for free, or let them play it how it originally appeared back in 2010

[2d0x]

Originally posted by SoundofSilence:

Why do ports and remasters have to be mutually exclusive?

Here a little different: some people believe that small changes can not be called a remaster.

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by Antitype:

Originally posted by Spr1ggan:

Again nowhere in your link does it state that those are mandatory requirements for being a remaster. The term remaster existed before games were even being remastered, you can't just point to certain remasters that the devs decided to do more work on and then say this is what it means, this is what it's always meant, and every remaster should be a full overhaul with *insert the features I WANT most* etc, etc.

But they did NOTHING here. It's a regular port. What is remastered exactly from the assets or the engine? NOTHING. Any port will have different filtering, AA and resolution based on the target platform's capabilities. If render reso is your ticket entry to slap "Remaster", then pretty much every port is a remaster. You dilute the term so much that it's rendered meaningless. You have to update certain aspect to qualify otherwise it ends up as nothing but a marketing buzzword.

Anyway, I'll drop it here, this is going nowhere. Keep calling any port a remaster if that makes you sleep better at night.

Rewriting a game built for custom hardware to run on x86 architecture and multiple PC configs is not nothing. Updating the resolutions is not nothing.

What the hell did you think you were going to get? A completely new graphics engine? An expansion pack worth of new content?

I dilute the term remaster? LMFAO, i just know what to expect and don't uber hype myself up with unrealistic expectations.

[Vyrtualis]

Originally posted by 2d0x:

Originally posted by SoundofSilence:

Why do ports and remasters have to be mutually exclusive?

Here a little different: some people believe that small changes can not be called a remaster.

Lol. It's a remaster. Not gonna repeat why, it's 3 pages back...it's a remaster. Fin.

And it's not a bad remaster IMO, just sort of...serviceable. I'm around halfway through and the game still mostly holds up to modern standards. The new options keep it looking good enough.

So yeah, no frills, no extras, just a serviceable remaster.

Which isn't a bad thing - the games finally on PC and it works. That's still awesome in its own right.

[2d0x]

Originally posted by VerticalUplink:

Lol. It's a remaster...

Ummm... Are you trying to convince me?

[Vyrtualis]

Originally posted by 2d0x:

Originally posted by VerticalUplink:

Lol. It's a remaster...

Ummm... Are you trying to convince me?

Maybe. Is it working? :P

[2d0x]

Originally posted by VerticalUplink:

Maybe. Is it working? :P

I have no idea ;)

[Solidus's Revenge]

Originally posted by CrimsonKingXXX:

See topic, what exactly is improved ?

Since nobody seems to have bothered to do it themselves, and everyone is so passionately arguing about it, I went ahead and booted up the good ol' PS3 version.

What I found is that the textures and pictures in the PC REMASTER are higher quality/higher rez/higher detail versus the original PS3 version. Whether they made new ones, or used some AI program to upscale, I don't know. But the REMASTER definitely has new and improved versions of the textures from the original game. They look great in 4K.

So.... the REMASTER has improved textures, increased video quality, unlocked frame rate, higher resolutions, better rendering of shadows, better filtering, and all the previously released content. Does this not definitively make it a REMASTER? What else do people expect??

[Ydyp]

Originally posted by Solidus' Revenge:

*snib* What else do people expect??

Some require it to be a remake to be called a remaster it seems.

Also you forgot mouse and keyboard integration + keybinding in the menu. Though would have loved a bit more work on the menu, so you could also have the sound volume control of the intro and the rest of the game as well has having the remapping key from the ingame menu.

[[NGNS-SWE] ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡]

Might be a port, but when a game goes from 720p to 4k from ps3 to ps4 its atleast a big bump in the sharpness, no?

[Trevor Reznik]

Higher resolution support and high framerate support are things I expect from a port.

Tell me that the cutscenes at least are running 1080p natively?

[[NGNS-SWE] ⚡ Quezkatolen ⚡]

Originally posted by Trevor Reznik:

Higher resolution support and high framerate support are things I expect from a port.

Tell me that the cutscenes at least are running 1080p natively?

I hope so, but that is a huge bump in size.

[Tr0w]

Originally posted by Trevor Reznik:

Higher resolution support and high framerate support are things I expect from a port.

Tell me that the cutscenes at least are running 1080p natively?

As the game didn't exist on PC prior to this release it's obviously both a port and a remaster.

[Pilda]

The word master is not in the word remaster just for fun.

[Antitype]

Originally posted by Solidus' Revenge:

Since nobody seems to have bothered to do it themselves, and everyone is so passionately arguing about it, I went ahead and booted up the good ol' PS3 version.

What I found is that the textures and pictures in the PC REMASTER are higher quality/higher rez/higher detail versus the original PS3 version. Whether they made new ones, or used some AI program to upscale, I don't know. But the REMASTER definitely has new and improved versions of the textures from the original game. They look great in 4K.

So.... the REMASTER has improved textures, increased video quality, unlocked frame rate, higher resolutions, better rendering of shadows, better filtering, and all the previously released content. Does this not definitively make it a REMASTER? What else do people expect??

I would have checked it, but I only have the PS3 and Switch versions and you are the first afaik to mention improved textures. Are you sure they're actually improved though and it's not due to the increased resolution and less destructive AA? Because the Switch versions textures already look cleaner than PS3 despite being the same resolution simply because PS3 is using Quincunx and Switch what looks like FXAA.

I agree that with touched up textures it definitely deserves the Remaster label. So long as you actually do something that goes beyond what is expected from a regular port, it does qualify.