Found out about Dreamer Halberd AFTER meeting Immaculate

[Halfwise]

.....after slogging through a good week of playing in this game, and 1 time asking for a thing (I went with storage, because OMG storage is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ awful in the field. Sadly, the bag granted was not worth it, even in the short term.)...

And that's it... I can no longer get the fastest weapon for my weapon of choice, because this game is a jerk. I am seriously considering a restart.... but I am burning out fast.... slogging back and forth across just the very first map for hours on end, in the cold...stopping to warm up every 12 seconds.

(Because apparently that's how cold works... in an otherwise temperate biome... You'd think the game took place in northern Finland or something when winter strikes, though if that was the case, the local populace would just laugh at the cold and walk around shirtless)

Now I am basing the idea that the weapon is lost to me by the wiki. There is always the possibility the wiki can be wrong. Has anyone found it by other means?

(Also now wondering if I can load two versions of Outward, and dump items onto a second character without needing the legacy chests....Would save a lot of time, since most of the progression so far has been strictly obtaining armor and weapons)

[R.J.Travis]

you can start a game with split screen c-op with yourself and drop it from another char you make.

[Paiyu]

You can accept one item from the Immaculate and still get the halberd, Just refuse items from him in the next 3 areas you meet him. I accepted armor from him the first time we met and then accepted the boons the second time. The last 2 times I met him, I refused items and he gave me the halberd.

[Paiyu]

In addition, if you are getting too cold, use a Weather Potion or Bitter Spicy Tea. If you can, get Mefino's Backpack which is 110 lbs. capacity and try to use Master Trader Garb, Master Trader Boots and the Pearlbird Mask. You get the mask from killing Pearlbirds. Its is a random drop but has +20% which helps you move faster when your backpack is overweight.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

What troubles you about winter in Chersonese? Just consume food that increases your protection against cold weather, such as Gaberry Jam. Cast the Warm boon. Switch to appropriate clothing.

[Halfwise]

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

What troubles you about winter in Chersonese? Just consume food that increases your protection against cold weather, such as Gaberry Jam. Cast the Warm boon. Switch to appropriate clothing.

Long explanation warning (Deep breathes):

The cold onsets too fast, especially in my mind when I compare it to reality in similar regions on earth. The speed at which you can freeze to death is more akin to the negative double digits of the upper latitudes, than the kind of temperate-coastal region that appears to be Chersonese. Having lived in the dry cold winters of Colorado, and the wet cold winters of Washington and Pennsylvania, I can say I have been outside in 10-20 degree winter weather in a light jacket for several hours without needing a fire to not die of frostbite. But that aspect I can hand-wave as "its just fantasy", albeit bitterly, since every other aspect of the game tries to be excruciatingly realistic to support the genre.

Even if I build a fire, half the time it doesn't even warm me up, just halts getting colder. It takes me only a small amount of time to trigger the cold debuff, and about 10x that time to warm up in front of a bonfire again (so the up and down isn't even the same rate). Multiple fires doesn't help (thought it really should), nor does standing practically on top of the giant bonfires. (And getting back to the reality argument, the opposite had been my experience. After spending a long time in the cold, I only need a few minutes of heat, to go several hours in the cold again. Not the other way around.)

Winter has also seemed to last much longer so far than the brief respite of fall at the beginning of the game. Two weeks of fall, then the snows came, and 3 weeks after that, there does not appear to be any sign of it ending. I know its unreasonable to expect a gradient to the seasons like real life, or different day-to-day weather besides the occasional rain, but its rough.

Because of the stringent inventory limits, what you can carry needs to be thoroughly vetted before going out. The items sufficient for winter weather (at this stage in the game), are also poorly rated for combat compared to other armors... so I need to choose one or the other, or a drastically reduced carrying capacity.

I do make tea and gaberry jam, but the effects from those seem negligible at best, especially when you are outside and away from a fire, meaning they really only seem to benefit when trying to warm up from being cold, rather than preventing cold.

The warm boon spell, as far as I can tell, is not accesible from the first town, and its a long road to build yourself up and fully explore even the first map. it seems all skills and spells have just 1 location for each of them. And of course, the handful of things I "need" for my play style appear to all be in different directions, so there's really no optimum way to make a bee-line for. And even if I did get the spell, I'd still need to get to the bottom of the mountain to get mana to use it, all while trying to collect enough weapons, armor, and skills from around the game to hopefully survive the trek and not die and lose everything.

Now, there are some items that can probably add the boon, but the time limits are tiny on those, and once again pointing to the damn limited bag space, I'd need to bring a sizeable stack to go out adventuring and get back again, or bring other (weighty) tools to hopefully try and gather / create those items in the field. Which by the time you've loaded up on the things you need to be prepared, you can maybe carry 3-4 "good" items back to town again for selling and making money.... which kind of makes the whole aspect of going out in the first place feel pointless. Seems more profitable just to harvest blue sand and make travel rations to sell infinitely, and never leave the first area.

(And Exhale....)

Sorry for the rant, but its been annoying me for quite some time.

[Halfwise]

Originally posted by Paiyu:

You can accept one item from the Immaculate and still get the halberd, Just refuse items from him in the next 3 areas you meet him. I accepted armor from him the first time we met and then accepted the boons the second time. The last 2 times I met him, I refused items and he gave me the halberd.

Thank you, this is good to know. The wiki makes it sound like you can only get the spell, and if you take anything else...whelp, too damn bad.

[Halfwise]

Originally posted by R.J.Travis:

you can start a game with split screen c-op with yourself and drop it from another char you make.

This worked beautifully. Thank you!

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Originally posted by LancerChronics:

(And Exhale....)

Sorry for the rant, but its been annoying me for quite some time.

It seems you're looking for realism - wrong game then, because weather in Outward is just abstraction. Perhaps you also wear inappropriate equipment, which lowers your Cold Weather defense. In either case, it seems you run around with a tiny backpack or with too much items in it. You could also leave to another area where it isn't deep winter as in Chersonese.

[Halfwise]

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Originally posted by LancerChronics:

(And Exhale....)

Sorry for the rant, but its been annoying me for quite some time.

It seems you're looking for realism - wrong game then, because weather in Outward is just abstraction. Perhaps you also wear inappropriate equipment, which lowers your Cold Weather defense. In either case, it seems you run around with a tiny backpack or with too much items in it. You could also leave to another area where it isn't deep winter as in Chersonese.

Heh, funnily after restarting my game, that was the first thing i did. Make a run for warmer climates before winter set in....

Only, the game had other ideas, because not moments after getting to Berg and joining the faction does the game go "Oh, you need to go back to the starting city." I was going to shrug that off, but decided to look that up too...and the game doesn't tell you, but apparently there is a hidden 20 day time limit where if you DON'T go back to the starting city and do the quest after joining a faction , it gets completely destroyed.

...so yay, I have to deal with it anyway...

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Originally posted by LancerChronics:

Heh, funnily after restarting my game, that was the first thing i did. Make a run for warmer climates before winter set in....

Only, the game had other ideas, because not moments after getting to Berg and joining the faction

Well, leaving Chersonese and joining a faction immediately is orthogonal to eachother. In the Enmerkar Forest, you could have stayed factionless, continueing to hunt bandits and beasts and making cash. Particularly, since there are two new trainers in Berg.

Originally posted by LancerChronics:

does the game go "Oh, you need to go back to the starting city." I was going to shrug that off, but decided to look that up too...and the game doesn't tell you, but apparently there is a hidden 20 day time limit where if you DON'T go back to the starting city and do the quest after joining a faction , it gets completely destroyed.

Which is a non-issue - in a role-playing game where you don't get served everything on a silver plate. Why would the game tell you exactly when the bandits from Vendavel attack Cierzo? The time limit is enough to return to your home town and learn about the threat from Burac, the gate guard.

There are other games, where scripted events destroy places and kill NPCs without PLAYER being able to do anything about it.

Originally posted by LancerChronics:

...so yay, I have to deal with it anyway...

Right!

[Halfwise]

I mean, you aren't wrong....but you also kind of are.

You don't have to join a faction... but you have no reason to believe there is an issue with joining a faction. And if you are trying to get stronger to survive, joining a faction could help with that. If you go cross country to meet your family, and you arrive in town...do you let them sit around for several months, or do you go say "Hi" when you arrive, maybe make plans with them?

The "right" way may be to learn after it is too late that the town could be saved...if only you had psychic abilities to predict it. Not sure how I feel about a game that can only really be played "well" on the second run. Also, there is no consistency. This one event has a hidden 20 day limit, but I can leave the Blue Council in their meeting indefinitely. (as far as I can tell by available information online, maybe that will be wrong too, and I will get back and find them all dead.)

And while it may be more akin to what life is like, there's nothing more frustrating than trying to play..say...a card game, and finding out the dealer hid half the cards from you. Cards that are still part of the game, and you could technically have utilized.....if only you knew they were there. The argument is the game doesn't deal in things fairly (and a game can be fair, while still being challenging)...but it is also true that life isn't fair. That doesn't mean we can't complain about it. (and rightly so)

There is nothing wrong with liking the game. It has a lot of redeeming qualities.... but I also get the sense that any criticism of this game is fiercely challenged. And it is certainly far from perfect. I'd be curious, if given the opportunity, what you would criticize the most about this game. What would you say it does wrong, or maybe not even "wrong", but just unnecessarily aggravating? (and I honestly don't believe that "nothing" is a viable answer, as no perfect game exists).

[E.g. One of my favorite games of all time is KOTOR. But it ran terrible on Dantooine. The Jedi Force Jump was broken, and didn't function with even the tiniest obstacle in the way. The final area felt rushed and unpolished. But it is still one of my favorite games. Another favorite was the Gothic series... but the controls in 1 and 2 were really janky, and 3 stuttered so badly it was almost unplayable until 5+ years later where one could beat the stutters with sheer power. Also felt the way liberation worked was kinda stupid. I criticize these games, but I still enjoy them.]