Problem with Waste/Garbage prozessing with Heating plant

[Buazej]

Hello,

unfortunetly its a littlebit disapointing that the heating plant where garbage will be burn didn´t work on its own without jusage of the Heatingwater. i thout the garbage will be burnt anyway and destroyed the standart burning facility. unfotunetly its not. Is it wanted or a bug?

[Silent_Shadow]

I assume it is meant to work like a normal heating plant, where it only burns when heating is required. This is good because you don't want to rely on a heating plant that might have burned all of its "fuel" away during summer.

You can distribute waste to the heating plants for winter and burn the excess in an incinerator.

[Sirius Czech]

Same problem comes with waste-to-power plants. If no/not enough electricity is used, waste will pile up

[Silent_Shadow]

All you need to do is have a line drop off trash at the heat/power incinerators before taking the rest to a general incinerator. If you use trucks, they will skip the stop at the general incinerator if they can dump all their trash at the power/heat incinerators.

[Sirius Czech]

Originally posted by Silent_Shadow:

All you need to do is have a line drop off trash at the heat/power incinerators before taking the rest to a general incinerator. If you use trucks, they will skip the stop at the general incinerator if they can dump all their trash at the power/heat incinerators.

My problem is that the energy produced HAVE TO HAVE SPACE TO GO/get used and hooking such thing to an already existing power network is a nightmare. And your line-trick won´t work the other way in terms of skipping waste-to-power and going directly to another incinerator if needed. Because there is never a true 100% full warehouse in a working incinerator, but it can get empty time to time (and should so you get rid of waste faster then it accumulates) and then you have blackouts.

[Silent_Shadow]

You just have to treat waste power like renewable power. Connect it to the grid with another power plant in such a way that waste power is prioritized, so that when it gets trash it can burn it immediately for power. You can use an FPC if you need the demand. With a little planning ahead of time, it isn't that hard to do.

Waste heating plants are harder to keep working because unlike with coal, you cannot stockpile 3 months' worth of waste easily (at least not if you plan to use it at its rated heating capacity); it needs a continuous supply, likely by railway.

[Sirius Czech]

I cannot relate and disagree with you in two things:

- renewable power cannot work with sole highest priority due to it causing short blackouts when it goes out. This can be mitigated by adding the same priority on priority switch (and by using priority switches in the first place to prevent back-flow of energy

- waste-to-power is a bugged beast, because it keeps "reserving output" even when it has no storage currently. Same priority doesn´t work, too. Currently the only solution working in my republic is to have it producing power and
a) having it it´s own mini-network and substations/substation connections (robs substations have 3 inputs instead of 1)
b) using priority switch (as a shield) for high voltage, then a standard switch; priority from republic with 4MW wire connected to standard one, WtP connected to the "standard" one afterwards and a third connection feeding other places/branches including a border connection with export set to maximum.

Any other setup results in blackouts (smaller or bigger) whenever the WtP stop producing or is in ON/IN/ON/IN mode (aka only little garbage incoming).

And before you correct me - I have message from devs that it is actually a bug for this specific thing to behave like it is making power while it is not and that is why it is such a pain in the a.s.s. They are working on it, but current state is not great

[Silent_Shadow]

The trick for now is to not use priority switches and to just bias the waste power plant into assuming most of the loading (done through counting nodes). Since an FPC consumes about 19 MW, you only need to bias the waste power plant into supplying about half of the load.

You can do the same thing with renewable power too. If you want examples, there is a "cookbook" section in my electrical guide that shows ways to prioritize wind and solar without any blackouts.

[Sirius Czech]

Can you share a link to your cockbook? ;)

[Silent_Shadow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2827443475

[Sirius Czech]

Foooock, that is long and I went through it all. Though I still have no idea about how to "correctly" set a waste-to-power into the network without it blackouting half of my city due to ghost power occuring (which was what happened before PrS was installed to prevent back-flowing current).

Your pictures and schemes do not show mid-way connected switches and transformers, which is sadly exactly what is present at my network (I build switches for the sole purpose of branching into transformers or small branches).

I would seriously appreciated "online" discussion above my grid on Discord or similar thing. If you can and would be willing to, add me as John_Selfprinter #2990 ;)

[Silent_Shadow]

Sent a friend request to John_Selfprinter2990.

[Sirius Czech]

And Rohan did answer