waste transport on factory connections

[k0555230]

waste can only be transported (automatic) by factory connection or trucks.
but transport by factory connections is just passive especially when you want a buffer.
that's quite a big obstacle since factory inputs don't work that well because factoies will only use the second input when there is absolutely nothing comming in at the first port regardless the ammount waiting at the second input.

solutions:
- factories draw from all ports until they get 100%
- new vehicle for forklift garages that can handle waste and other stuff.

[Veter]

+1

[Egodeus]

Yep, this so much. I had trouble with my waste treatment plant and general dump both feeding into the incinerator, with the treatment plant working at low efficiency meaning the incinerator didn't burn the stuff from the dump unless the treatment plant ran out of workers or waste to treat.

Eventually solved this by reorganizing my waste management system after researching separation techs and now the treatment plant feeds to a waste transfer, that then gets sent to the input dump for the waste sorting setup by a DO.

But it would have been useful if you could have more than one input to a plant and it could work well even if one input is drip feeding stuff.

[Sirius Czech]

Intermediate storages are your immediate help. Do not connect these factories directly, use intermediate dumps as buffers and your solution will be nonexistent.

This also solves the problem of not enough FC for incinerators, btw (as 2 are enough for one in and one out).

:)
Last but not least, waste treatment plant is a costly capitalistic nonsense. A small incinerator is cheaper (like half of it), needs less workers and does not use costly chemicals to operate. And if you build the chain as

container storage -> small incinerator -> dump -> waste separation -> dump -> waste-to-power -> dump with claw;

you have everything sorted (including hazmat), you saved some money, you have your own power source, can earn some bucks by importing more hazmat to process (burn) and all you lose by this compared to waste treatment plant is inability to sort plastic waste from hazardous material mixture. Rest of those are either unseparable anywhere (biowaste, fertiliser) or unburnable (metal, aluminum, construction waste) and thus will move on to separation plant nevertheless (where it will be sorted out).

[thibaulthc]

We really need forklifts which would be able to transport waste though!
I think that in their plans, direct factory connections without forklifts are meant to disappear anyway. (Maybe some weak electrical mini forklifts would be an option in some buildings)

[thibaulthc]

other problems related:
-waste transfer stands won't be filled before the internal storage of the connected industry is full
-if garbage trucks come to waste transfer stand, it empties ONE garbage, but then it will pull from the industry at a very slow rate instead of emptying another garbage full
-garbage trucks can't unload at unloading stations for aggregate

please please please give us a hotfix to help waste transferts by factory connections. just forbiding the internal storage for the genrl separation plant ie would already do the temporary trick. Or, even better, allowing all forklifts to transport waste

[Sirius Czech]

Originally posted by thibaulthc:

We really need forklifts which would be able to transport waste though!
I think that in their plans, direct factory connections without forklifts are meant to disappear anyway. (Maybe some weak electrical mini forklifts would be an option in some buildings)

Forklifts are absolutely not viable for amounts processed in waste industry.

FCs might disappear in WR2 and be replaced by heliport-like upgrades and wifi-connections (like with depot), though I can find some use for them as well (even if only as links made in the air).

[Sirius Czech]

Originally posted by thibaulthc:

other problems related:
-waste transfer stands won't be filled before the internal storage of the connected industry is full
-if garbage trucks come to waste transfer stand, it empties ONE garbage, but then it will pull from the industry at a very slow rate instead of emptying another garbage full
-garbage trucks can't unload at unloading stations for aggregate

please please please give us a hotfix to help waste transferts by factory connections. just forbiding the internal storage for the genrl separation plant ie would already do the temporary trick. Or, even better, allowing all forklifts to transport waste

Don´t use waste transfers for industries, use those large for TS. Waste transfers are meant for demolitions and usually as STORAGES - best use of them is
a) loading bay for an incinerator (both hazmat and mixed waste can come in)
b) "waste yard" next to a city as a drop-off for TS with small waste trucks (and then DO/line to send it elsewhere with big 6,5t trucks).

Garbage trucks from my TS have no problem in doing so with metal scrap (unload to aggregate storage), waste trucks (and dump trucks) can even unload into conveyor towers, so ... :D

Also for large containers deployable for TS are filled FIRST (= before internal waste storage).

You are probably just using wrong tool for the job ;)

[thibaulthc]

well, what I wanted is my General Separation Plant to store its waste in such a stand (the transfer for big garbages). That's what their FC are meant for. Plus it can be handled by a DO without annoying my TS trucks.

Using them as a loading bay for incinerator looks useless since a dump is cheaper and do the trick, if you only burn mixed waste

Using them as a storage for smaller TS trucks in a city is mandatory

The Separation Plants have aggregate connections to empty themselves, but you don't always have enough room to place them. It is waste, it may be stored in a Transfer for Garbage Stand, so it would be nice if it worked well too.

Forklifts might not be viable for large quantities, but they add to realism. Otherwise, they should replace them with Rubber Flat Conveyors, the way they're used atm.

[Sirius Czech]

Separation plants work well with containers as input (though dump is cheaper and with higher capacity) and for the same result a dump (with claw) is also a better solution for pickup (or just chain it separation -> dump (mixed) -> incinerator)

Separation cannot store aggregates in containers, because they are no longer a trash - they are aggregates, so either a conveyor out, loading station for trucks or (worst case) direct dumper trucks can take that thing out. Same with sorted plastic waste and flatbeds.

[thibaulthc]

what I can confirm is that:
when my General Separation Plant was connected to a Trasnfer for Garbages Stand, it used to push Metal Scrap, aluminium Scrap, Plastic Waste, Construction Waste and Mixed Wasted to the Garbages Stand, by a direct Factory Connection
I then built an aggregate conveyor and a Truck Loading Station, then the GSP stopped sending sorted waste to the Garbages Stand. And my DO won't send Garbages Truck to the Loading Station NOR to the GSP neither. Only Dumpers will work.

I understood most of the Waste System, but some mechanics are still a bit cranky imo.

Garbages Trucks can then can't pick up some kind of waste, they can unload in aggregate unloading station but they can't load on a Loading Station, TS will handle Garbages Stand but not Garbages Stands Transfer, Plant will transfer ALL kind of Waste by FC then suddenly stops when a Conveyor is built, Some Factories will push Garbages to the Transfer Garbages but other won't (ie Coal Mine pushes garbages and Recycling Plants won't push even Mixed Garbage,... it could be much easier to handle...

[Titule]

What I don't get is that factory connections seems to be more efficient without forklifts :)

[thibaulthc]

that's sad and breaks the re/update will focus on FC
-integrate the FC road and pedestrian crossings in vanilla
-building FC like roads without the need for a "building" to make FC crossings
-adding new electrical forklifts integrated in factories for direct connections
-allowing forklifts to transport waste
-adding a new game mechanic like conveyor belts for some materials that need to be moved in large quantities (crops, mixed waste)
etc..

[MyArtIsMurder]

Originally posted by thibaulthc:

that's sad and breaks the re/update will focus on FC
-integrate the FC road and pedestrian crossings in vanilla
-building FC like roads without the need for a "building" to make FC crossings
-adding new electrical forklifts integrated in factories for direct connections
-allowing forklifts to transport waste
-adding a new game mechanic like conveyor belts for some materials that need to be moved in large quantities (crops, mixed waste)
etc..

+1

especially your first two points would help a lot!!