Cinder makes no sense.

[Midnight]

Hello,

I was thrilled when I saw the wastes line in one of the last updates and while i love most of it, I have a real issue with cinder/ash and how it's handled. Even worst you can't get any mod to solve the issue and when I tried to go to building editor to get rid of it, surprise, it seem to be hard coded as you can't do anything ...

So what is my issue? I know cinder vanish over time, ok why not ... But when I set a large waste container outside of my incinerator I see it fill with various waste over time no matter what. Currently in my game I have "other wastes >50% ash >5%" in my storage ...

The issue is when I try to pick those wastes with my trucks, the content of the trucks are ... "Ash >50% other wastes >0%" what nonsense is that?

As the incinerator only use 80% of the other wastes it's obvious they will end in the trash no matter what you do and you can't sort them with anybuilding, so you end with mixed wastes in the end.

It could not be an issue if the trucks actually pick up what is really in the disposer instead of picking cinder first ... So it's an unsolvable problem that ask constant micro management and is so annoying, I'm playing soviet republic, not waste tycoon. I know I can turn them off, but it's sad to get everything off just for one minor issue that ruins everything.

I would also like to bring up that ash are natural fertilizer that only require them to be filtered before being used ... There are so many way to solve this that would add to the game instead of the current way that just cripples the game.

[Cpt_Beefheart]

Firstly, yes ash used as fertilzer is a valid point. (for real life)

A counterpoint to that though is that fertilzer is already something that you end up with way way more than you need and it does not dissipate. It also involves eventually needing to do things like feeding substantial amounts of it to an incinerator, which then becomes ash. So ash becoming fertilizer becoming ash is a never ending waste loop I for one do not want to have to deal with.

For everything else you mention, also valid, but there can be a few different issues causing your incinerator output ash to become contaminated. One of the main ones is simply a problem with what waste you are feeding it.

Also, if you have a waste separation facility in line before the incinerator. If any of the separation outputs becomes full and overloaded, some of that waste will get through. For example, if your aggregate storage for construction waste becomes full. The separation facility does not just stop running, it allows the construction waste to flow through the main waste line that is being sent to the incinerator. So you have to be careful with your waste setup, and the logistics of carting away outputs. That includes not only making sure trains coming to gather the outputs are set correctly, but that whatever is happening at their destination is automated to the degree that they never become full. In following the above example, if you bring (or send directly) all your construction waste to a recycling facility turning it into gravel.. you need to make sure that gravel storage never becomes full. (if it does.. you end up feeding mixed waste mixed with construction waste into your incinerator. This can jam up its internal input and it will simply stop working entirely)

In regards to your trucks and the issue of picking up ash/cinder first, well, the ash is classed as mixed waste. That means you would need the truck set to particularly pick up the non mixed waste portion.

Said in completely non negative tone: Nothing you are experiencing is an unsolvable problem requiring micromanagement. There are solutions to making sure this problem simply does not happen in the first place. Take it as a challenge to re-think the fundamentals of your setup so that it requires no micromanagement.

Edit: it is important to note that if your separation facility's internal output, or the incinerator's internal input become contaminated.. you may/will need to utilise waste trucks to empty those buildings of the contaminated waste before you can return to clean output/input. Everything I've said above is due to dealing with what you are dealing with. I wish you luck.

Edit 2: Bottom line, the goal is to ensure the incinerator output is always pure ash, with that ash being brought elsewhere to rail dumps for it to dissipate completely.

Edit 3: Note that in working out your waste management system/kinks, it is almost necessary that you know that you can click 'demolish' on a factory connection as a method of temporarily turning it off. Then when whatever problem has been fixed, you simply cancel the demolition. For factory connections, treat demolition as an off/pause switch.

[Midnight]

You can't sort other wastes and cinder are they are both mixed wastes, any separation facility will send the other wastes to the incinerator anyway too. I have no issues with plastic, aluminium, junk or stone.

Also I guess your game is heavyly modded cause composter doesn't produce any ash, organic is straight turned into fertilizer and that's all.