Trams and trolleybuses

[Galuan]

What is the difference for passengers of trams and trolleybuses from buses?

[MrKrabs]

Trolleybus and tram use electricity while busses run on fuel.
For passengers it doesn't make a difference for all I know.
It only matters if the journey takes to long.

[Polkovnik Berezin]

Unless your busses are being refuelled at an end-station, busses will periodically need to find and visit somewhere to refuel, and that can disrupt the line.

[High King Lemur]

Buses are cheaper to set up as they only need any kind of road but more expensive to run - fuel is more expensive than electricity.
Trolleybuses are somewhere inbetween trams and buses purchase-cost-wise and running-cost-wise.

[Galuan]

Guys, I asked about benefits for passengers. Thx that answered about fuel and electriciry.

Do passengers get any benefits from using a tram instead of a bus? Does the travel timer run at the same speed?

[Polkovnik Berezin]

The mode of transport should make no difference to the passengers, only travel time.

[Stele]

Ships have slower travel timer I think. Everything else should be the same. Trams are unaffected by snow, making them more reliable during winter.

[Galuan]

Originally posted by Stele:

Ships have slower travel timer I think. Everything else should be the same. Trams are unaffected by snow, making them more reliable during winter.

Ty for snow info

[Silent_Shadow]

Ride timers increment at the same rates except for buses working for a CO and for ships, both of which elapse at a slower rate. I think total time travelling timers elapse at a constant rate, but I have not definitively checked.

Trolley buses are better than trams in my opinion because they do not limit the speed of other vehicles to 80 kph and they can have a higher top speed (and thus commuting range) than trams.

Trams do ignore snow but not other vehicles stuck in snow, like police, ambulances, firetrucks, secret police, personal cars, waste trucks, and other vehicles you expect to find in a residential area, so I don't consider it to be a huge advantage.

[noirdelire]

Originally posted by Silent_Shadow:

Ride timers increment at the same rates except for buses working for a CO and for ships, both of which elapse at a slower rate. I think total time travelling timers elapse at a constant rate, but I have not definitively checked.

Trolley buses are better than trams in my opinion because they do not limit the speed of other vehicles to 80 kph and they can have a higher top speed (and thus commuting range) than trams.

Trams do ignore snow but not other vehicles stuck in snow, like police, ambulances, firetrucks, secret police, personal cars, waste trucks, and other vehicles you expect to find in a residential area, so I don't consider it to be a huge advantage.

To avoid the other vehicle blocking, tram can be set on private road. We can make a mix, sometimes private, sometimes not, then they are like a train switching to a bus when downtown.

About passengers, one great advantage of the busses is the stations. Trolley and tramway only have stops. Tramway have large stops, but trolley only small one. It can stock max 200 passengers waiting. If you want a "big terminal", that's not enought.

Another advantage of busses is that they can reverse their ways. It depend the situation, of course, but sometimes going to an end station to turn back is a big time loose for passengers.

I would say tram are good when you need "a little train". Trolley are mainly a way to spare on fuel (which is realy important, but change nothing for passengers).

[Silent_Shadow]

Originally posted by noirdelire:

To avoid the other vehicle blocking, tram can be set on private road. We can make a mix, sometimes private, sometimes not, then they are like a train switching to a bus when downtown.

You can, but tram roads and electrified track are not cheap, so again not a huge advantage.

Originally posted by noirdelire:

About passengers, one great advantage of the busses is the stations. Trolley and tramway only have stops. Tramway have large stops, but trolley only small one. It can stock max 200 passengers waiting. If you want a "big terminal", that's not enought.

Another advantage of busses is that they can reverse their ways. It depend the situation, of course, but sometimes going to an end station to turn back is a big time loose for passengers.

This is all true.
Buses can also deal with tiny amounts of passengers too and get the free bus stop.

[noirdelire]

Originally posted by Silent_Shadow:

Originally posted by noirdelire:

To avoid the other vehicle blocking, tram can be set on private road. We can make a mix, sometimes private, sometimes not, then they are like a train switching to a bus when downtown.

You can, but tram roads and electrified track are not cheap, so again not a huge advantage.

Yes. Tram are not cheap.

Their advantage is their soupleness. You can mix them with other constructions and that can be great. They can even use normal railway, and I imagine subway (but I didn't tried yet).

So, once again, it realy depend the situation. But to provide a reliable source of workers to an extension for an existing growing town, they can be "the" solution.

[Titule]

Trams are vulnerable to electricity failures and stop the whole traffic if they break down.
Need to build carefully

[Silent_Shadow]

Originally posted by noirdelire:

Their advantage is their soupleness. You can mix them with other constructions and that can be great. They can even use normal railway, and I imagine subway (but I didn't tried yet).

So, once again, it realy depend the situation. But to provide a reliable source of workers to an extension for an existing growing town, they can be "the" solution.

The thing is you can set up transfers between different vehicle types using the "where should [citizen type] go?" mechanic, so you can use pretty much any transportation vehicle to concentrate citizens at train/metro stations, ferry docks, and airports; it just requires an extra station nearby to drop citizens off at.

Buses, trolley buses, and even motor wagons also work for neighborhood extensions, but I think the real advantage of trams is that they suffer much less wear and tear compared to buses and trolley buses because they are technically a "train" vehicle type. Trams cannot use metro tracks though; only metros and track builders can.