Should I destroy the churchs?

[Esron]

I like the aesthetics of it. But when my students move from where they live to my dorms they get sad because they can't reach the church. I wish I could turn them into tourist attractions or something like this.

[Iron]

yes. replace the churchs with soviet proproganda , radio, tv stations. you will thank me later. religon is bad.

[Silent_Shadow]

The nice thing about churches is that you can leave them open as a leisure service that you don't have to pay for. The bad thing about them is that citizens lose loyalty if they attend one.

[joeball123]

It is also worth noting that the 'unable to attend church' penalty doesn't actually care whether or not there is a church on your map; rather, it's caused by (some of) your citizens being religious enough to want to go to church and being unable to reach one in their free time. Getting rid of your churches might help a bit, but so does running anti-religious propaganda on your radio and TV stations - and with enough anti-religious propaganda your people mostly won't care to go to church even if they can.

[Silent_Shadow]

Preference for any leisure need will go away if not sated for a long time, and leisure needs can be replaced by visits to attractions with an attraction type, which will prevent the citizen from losing happiness/loyalty from missed needs while lowering their preference for the replaced leisure need.

[Mudkest]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Silent_Shadow:

The bad thing about them is that citizens lose loyalty if they attend one.

I've seen this mentioned a few times on the forums, but only on the forums. Could you point to a source for this?

[Silent_Shadow]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mudkest:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Silent_Shadow:

The bad thing about them is that citizens lose loyalty if they attend one.

I've seen this mentioned a few times on the forums, but only on the forums. Could you point to a source for this?

I'm afraid not. The closest the game or developers come to telling you this is in the Q&A menu, where the Propaganda Minister tells you that as a socialist government, you cannot build any churches. This is because, ideologically, communism is not compatible with religion.

You can observe the effect, though it may not update until after their free time ends.

[DEMONVIA]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Silent_Shadow:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Mudkest:

I've seen this mentioned a few times on the forums, but only on the forums. Could you point to a source for this?

I'm afraid not. The closest the game or developers come to telling you this is in the Q&A menu, where the Propaganda Minister tells you that as a socialist government, you cannot build any churches. This is because, ideologically, communism is not compatible with religion.

You can observe the effect, though it may not update until after their free time ends.

so, even with Church mods a play through using religion is not possible?

[Toblm]

Oprindeligt skrevet af DEMONVIA:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Silent_Shadow:

I'm afraid not. The closest the game or developers come to telling you this is in the Q&A menu, where the Propaganda Minister tells you that as a socialist government, you cannot build any churches. This is because, ideologically, communism is not compatible with religion.

You can observe the effect, though it may not update until after their free time ends.

so, even with Church mods a play through using religion is not possible?

Where'd you get that idea? If churches are present, citizens will use them. If you have the mods that let you place new churches, they'll use the new churches. (assuming the mod(s) is properly implemented)

Its just outside the game developer's stated vision of the game.

[Dummkopf]

For what it's worth, you can achieve a high enough loyalty even when all of your citizens have access to churches. High enough meaning you don't get any escapes and you get 100%+ productivity. Obviously it's not optimal and if you're min maxing for whatever reason, you'd destroy them.

[Esron]

Coming back to say that it is definitely worth destroying the churches. Citizens happiness is back to over 99%

[MOK]

Are there variables that influence how often they go attend an accessible church? Like, if I give them lots of sports and movies and whatnot, will they attend less? Basically, if I play to leave them intact, how would you best mitigate their presence?

[Toblm]

Oprindeligt skrevet af MOK:

Are there variables that influence how often they go attend an accessible church? Like, if I give them lots of sports and movies and whatnot, will they attend less? Basically, if I play to leave them intact, how would you best mitigate their presence?

Yes, Anti-Religious Propaganda is a thing. From TV, Radio and Prisons at the very least.

[ValaCities]

Oprindeligt skrevet af MOK:

Are there variables that influence how often they go attend an accessible church? Like, if I give them lots of sports and movies and whatnot, will they attend less? Basically, if I play to leave them intact, how would you best mitigate their presence?

I keep them for the optics, but I demolish the footpaths, so people cannot get there.

[Elessar_warrior]

I just discovered a big negative about the churchs. I had some churches and some attractions, and i noticed a lot of people went to church but my attractions were empty. I demolished the church footpaths and suddenly my attractions received many visitors.
As explained before and in other topics attractions can replace the craving of citizens for religion and alcohol, so to have a church open or even closed with people waiting outside can take out citizens and tourists from your attractions.