Small garbage stand anything competitive?

[千仞万渊]

Although I guess it's a topic discussed many times, but I still have't found a convincing answer
Since both of the garbage stands can collect two kind of garbage, however limit for small stand is only 2.2t while 50+ and 120+ for big stand, why should I use small stand, anything i'm missing?
Same for trucks, it's weird max capacity for small is 10t while 6.5 for big. Although I guess, small garbage truck can get directly into building, it's their only advantage?

[joeball123]

Originally posted by 千仞万渊:

Since both of the garbage stands can collect two kind of garbage, however limit for small stand is only 2.2t while 50+ and 120+ for big stand, why should I use small stand, anything i'm missing?

Large-container garbage stands require a road connection whereas small-container garbage stands can have either a road connection or a path connection depending on which version you use, and the small-container stands are also cheaper to construct (mostly, anyways; if I recall correctly the larger small-container stand costs roughly as much as the smaller large-container stand) while providing adequate capacity for typical residential areas.

[Silent_Shadow]

The biggest advantage is cost. Not only are small garbage stands much cheaper than the large dumpsters (like one third of the cost), but the size (and thus cost) of garbage trucks for small container stands can also be tailored to the amount of trash being generated.

You could set up a small line that visits a string of small container stands and use only a cheap 2,500 ruble truck with only 4 tons of capacity to handle it all, or you could have a long string of stands that a 10 ton truck that costs 7,000 ruble can empty more efficiently.

There are a lot of buildings that do not produce a lot of trash; 0.72 tons or 2.16 tons is plenty of waste storage for them, so why spend more?

[vajeeking]

bur if you add all small garbage dumps many buildings they might cost you traffic problems if you dump waste to the border. and rest of normal traffic suffer that also,

[MG83]

its all about scale. To allocate 50 t garbage container for 200 man housing area would be totally "waste" itself :> If you are densely planning ofc small containers wont make sense to you ( i do not use them. My zones are all +10k population) However some players play different some likes to make little villages and other setups. small bins are elementary for those options.

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

Small bins are more than adequate for most residential and shopping areas, tourist hotels are an exception as those make trash in far greater amounts.

Large skips are better for industrial areas and empty quite fast into their trucks, dense residential may also benefit.

[千仞万渊]

Originally posted by Silent_Shadow:

The biggest advantage is cost. Not only are small garbage stands much cheaper than the large dumpsters (like one third of the cost), but the size (and thus cost) of garbage trucks for small container stands can also be tailored to the amount of trash being generated.

You could set up a small line that visits a string of small container stands and use only a cheap 2,500 ruble truck with only 4 tons of capacity to handle it all, or you could have a long string of stands that a 10 ton truck that costs 7,000 ruble can empty more efficiently.

There are a lot of buildings that do not produce a lot of trash; 0.72 tons or 2.16 tons is plenty of waste storage for them, so why spend more?

Maybe small stand are more profitable in small citizen area,
BUT！！
Why are small garbage truck scale from 5t to 10t when small stand max to 2.2t?? This is really insane, everytime my truck with 10t to load only like 1t+ this is really crazy.
And small garbage truck have much more load than big ones, this is really weird!

[Beast of War]

You simply size the waste collection to what you expect is needed. That is the amount of waste produced and the time that is needed to collect it by waste trucks. ( the workload on them )

The small road connection ones i use on production buildings where i have no room to build the larger ones, but they offer less room for separation at the source. This is usually not a problem as the source will only produce 1-2 types of waste.

On mines i used claw crane waste depots via a factory connection and not container storages as they produce really a lot of waste which i choose to separate somewhere else. And a manual set route as technical service can't be relied on ( or burdened with ) to take away that amount of waste.

[Khan Boyzitbig of Mercia]

Small trucks can go to multiple stands, the big container trucks only ever go to one before going to the dump.

[Sirius Czech]

TS will chain small stands if conditions are met (see BBalljo´s garbage explanation for further details).

Also note that you do NOT send your small trucks to the border (despite being knee-deep in waste). Your (city) setup should basically always be
- small stands in the city + Technical services
- container storage for waste near those TS (to save fuel), where those city trucks will go and dump it
- DO with large skids that will take that (later sorted) waste to their respective places (dump, customs, incinerator, separation ...).

Industrial areas are different and you are probably using big bins only, so TS full of skids with similar role to DO above is handy.

Sidenote - these "container transfers" are an excellent showcase of your trash setup working well/badly. If they stay mostly empty (with only up to 1 full large container of each sort), you know everything runs smoothly. Once they start filling up, you have a problem somewhere (or a reconstruction/machinery replacement in a separator, for example).

[BanzaiCharge]

To be honest, once you start separating trash you're better off with the stand for large containers, as the small trash dump gets filled very fast, with a fairly little amount of garbage.

[misamangame]

It is not weird it is because IRL you should not fill those "big" waste containers more as the lifting mechanism on trucks would not lift them. Biggest so called"skips" (big waste containers in game) are roughly about +-10 000 litres, maybe somewhere are used bigger but generally in europe I doubt so. "Normal" waste trucks pushing or dumping waste from the back of their extension which can be nowadays upto 27 000 litres. No heavy lifting needed. That's why that difference...

[Sirius Czech]

Originally posted by BanzaiCharge:

To be honest, once you start separating trash you're better off with the stand for large containers, as the small trash dump gets filled very fast, with a fairly little amount of garbage.

Disagree. Small container stands are fine due to the option of having more waste types there. And they also look better ;)

They key is in "container storage" near for TS to have a space to dump even small amounts there. Once this works, you are golden and DO will take care of it, supplying effectively your composting plants and other places.

[Silent_Shadow]

Yep, just have a waste transfer station for small garbage trucks to dump the waste from their runs into and then have a bigger truck pick up a certain waste every now and then.

[joeball123]

Originally posted by jan.mitiska:

Disagree. Small container stands are fine due to the option of having more waste types there.

In what way do small container stands have the option of storing more types of waste? "Large containers" can be allocated to every type of waste that "small containers" can, plus construction waste, and even the Small Stand for Large Containers has enough skips for one of each. Beyond that, most areas don't produce all types of waste, so despite the Small Stand for Large Containers having only seven skips it's often possible to give two to each of the main types of waste coming out of an area while maintaining a separate stream for everything.

Originally posted by jan.mitiska:

They key is in "container storage" near for TS to have a space to dump even small amounts there. Once this works, you are golden and DO will take care of it, supplying effectively your composting plants and other places.

Originally posted by Silent_Shadow:

Yep, just have a waste transfer station for small garbage trucks to dump the waste from their runs into and then have a bigger truck pick up a certain waste every now and then.

If I'm not mistaken, BanzaiCharge's complaint is about the frequency with which the bin stands need to be emptied, and having nearby dumps or transfer stations doesn't address that in any meaningful way; the amount of time it takes the garbage truck to drive to the dump doesn't change the frequency with which the bin stands need to be emptied in the slightest.

Also, I'm somewhat inclined to agree with BanzaiCharge; you can't pre-sort using Small Stands for Small Containers (not that I think it'd be worthwhile even if you could given just how little capacity the stand has), the Large Stand for Small Containers costs about as much as the Small Stand for Large Containers while holding considerably less, and despite small-container collection trucks being able to visit multiple bin stands on a single trip to the dump the way that the game assigns collection tasks means it's still very likely that small-container collection trucks will have much worse utilization per trip to the dump than large-container collection trucks - especially when you're pre-sorting everything, as at that point your small-container trucks are probably never going to pick up more than half or maybe three quarters of a ton of anything, possibly excluding mixed (burnable/other) waste, from any single bin stand, so even the smallest garbage truck probably needs to hit four or five bin stands before it's ~80% full, and it may very well do a considerable amount of backtracking every time it gets diverted from the dump to another bin stand. Pretty much the only mechanical reason I can see to use small-container stands instead of large-container stands when you're pre-sorting your trash is that the small-container stands can have footpath connections instead of road connections.

[Silent_Shadow]

I have transcended from using technical offices for waste and now just use lines. My waste trucks are never running empty or making runs with tiny loads, and I do not need to worry about a small left over amount of hazardous waste converting my entire central dump to hazardous waste.

Instead of spending 24,000 rubles on a technical office with multiple ~4,300 ruble waste trucks and multiple ~650 ruble large bin stands for each new town, I just build a few ~230 ruble small stands and have a single small, ~2,500 ruble garbage truck (GZ-53m or Ifa-W50) on a line collecting from them and dumping it into a the local dump for incineration or long distance movement. New lines to expansions or remote industries are just as simple and cheap to add. If I am planning a bigger city, I can use the large 9 or 10 ton capacity trucks for longer runs or to make long distance trips to the city's incinerator.

The 6-bin small garbage stands are nice because they are super cheap and more than enough for small apartment blocks and shops/services, so you can spread a lot of them around without paying a lot. The 14-bin small garbage stands are about as expensive as the 8-dumpster larger stands are and both can presort waste; I basically think of them as add-ons to the smaller ones once you research waste separation edification, as you can just keep using them for mixed waste (other waste, burnable waste) and use the 14 bin one for presorting the other waste.

You also get a better selection of trucks if you use the small bin stands, as you also can get smaller garbage trucks to save money (Ifa W50 or GZ-53m vs Skd 706 RT) or faster trucks with more capacity for better throughput or long distance transportation at similar costs and at earlier dates (Rmn 12-215 vs. T815 or KMZ 5320).

Frequency control is just a matter of distance, truck speed/capacity, trash generation rate, and number of trucks; the player can control most of these, so I don't consider it a limiting factor.