Workers & Resources: Soviet Republic

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ArielMomo Aug 28, 2023 @ 11:45am
Waste from Coal Processing Plant seems too abundant!
I just enabled the Waste on my 1995 republik which has 50k people. I can cope with everything including mines, but I am having issue with the coal processing plant. It generates waste so quickly and abundantly! My plant keeps stopping because too much mixed waste. I have put large dump with large garbage bins nearby, but it fills up too quickly, even with one Technical service with 8 large bin trucks.. How do you manage this? thanks
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MrKrabs Aug 28, 2023 @ 12:36pm 
What kind of plant are we talking about?
Could it be a modded one?
Maybe it is possible to change the parameters in the building ini.
Elessar_warrior Aug 28, 2023 @ 1:08pm 
You can set extra trucks in a direct line.
ArielMomo Aug 28, 2023 @ 1:14pm 
Originally posted by MrKrabs:
What kind of plant are we talking about?
Could it be a modded one?
Maybe it is possible to change the parameters in the building ini.

This is the Vanilla Plant for transforming Raw Coal into Coal. I understand that I can add multiple trucks to one direct line, but the issue remains, so much waste...
GoRun Aug 28, 2023 @ 2:26pm 
Recycle in to gravel and export with a train..
MrKrabs Aug 28, 2023 @ 7:13pm 
Maybe this is something for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbk1I1RYAcw
bspawn Aug 29, 2023 @ 5:00am 
Originally posted by ArielMomo:
I have put large dump with large garbage bins nearby, but it fills up too quickly, even with one Technical service with 8 large bin trucks.. How do you manage this? thanks

I'm guessing the bottleneck is in the transport from large dump with large garbage bins to your waste processing.

I have two coal processing plants at my coal mining site, all waste feeding into a local large dump with claw and rail (direct connection to the mine, for the processing plants a stand with large garbage containers and local service office with a few garbage trucks bringing waste to the large dump with rail).
Then a waste train line (about 300 tons capacity) taking the waste to my waste processing site.
ArielMomo Aug 29, 2023 @ 11:52am 
Originally posted by bspawn:
Originally posted by ArielMomo:
I have put large dump with large garbage bins nearby, but it fills up too quickly, even with one Technical service with 8 large bin trucks.. How do you manage this? thanks

I'm guessing the bottleneck is in the transport from large dump with large garbage bins to your waste processing.

I have two coal processing plants at my coal mining site, all waste feeding into a local large dump with claw and rail (direct connection to the mine, for the processing plants a stand with large garbage containers and local service office with a few garbage trucks bringing waste to the large dump with rail).
Then a waste train line (about 300 tons capacity) taking the waste to my waste processing site.
Thank you, this is exactly what I wanted to know. I could not find a way to connect directly the coal processing plant to the Large Dump with Rail, so you confirm this. I wonder why the mines have factory connector, but not the coal processing plant.
Sirius Czech Aug 30, 2023 @ 3:28am 
My coal processing plant produces a lot of waste, but vanilla bins are or with them. For each of 2 coal processings (as well as for coal power plant and heating plant) I have large stands with big bins with pre-sorting on (so some biowaste, lots of construction waste, lots of mixed waste). TS trucks it to collection yard next to the area so they are able to react faster.

From that area a big DO is employed (and currently building a 2nd one and 2nd TS due to soon-to-be opened steel mill) that trucks construction waste to separation plant + incinerator setup ca 3km away. To help them a bit I employed 1 extra truck in direct line for each of the large stands that trucks construction waste directly to gravel recycling plant so it eases the load from TS/DO.

Train pickup and transfer is also a good option, but definitely pre-sort the waste at the place of emerging, helps a ton :)
Vimes Aug 30, 2023 @ 4:06am 
If your coal mines and your processing plant are quite remote from any location serviceable by road, and you try and separate waste at source, how do you go on with that being collected by train(s)...?

Noting that you could have, biological. construction and general waste to transport, and trains do not seem to like carrying a single load with mixed waste types spread over several wagons, is this practical to do..?
Assuming that different dump types with a factory connection to a train cargo station can do this..?

If so, then allocated trains could take accumulated specific waste types to where they could be processed elsewhere.
bspawn Aug 30, 2023 @ 5:02am 
Originally posted by jan.mitiska:

From that area a big DO is employed (and currently building a 2nd one and 2nd TS due to soon-to-be opened steel mill) that trucks construction waste to separation plant + incinerator setup ca 3km away.
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Train pickup and transfer is also a good option, but definitely pre-sort the waste at the place of emerging, helps a ton :)

All that really matters is that it works for you, but it looks like pre-sorting does not help much with the fact that you have transport a large amount of stuff over large distance, requiring many trucks instead of one or two trains.

(a single large waste train wagon has the capacity of more than 5 waste trucks, a single train with 10 wagons transports as much as ~56 trucks)

I suppose separating biological waste at the mining site makes sense because biological waste comes in relatively small amounts so it does not need a large number of trucks to transport it over large distance.

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Sirius Czech Aug 30, 2023 @ 6:37am 
Ok, I need to clear things up - my coal+steel+power setup starts around 1km far from the city; on the other side of said city is a mixed waste recycling setup (also ca 1-1,5 km far). The overall driving distance is ca 4 km for trucks.

HOWEVER, I have gravel recycling plant on the same side of the city, so ca 2km driving distance and no rails there. Separation of biowaste afterwards is also nonexistent ingame. So what I tend to do is to minimize overall mixed waste.

If that would be even further and with no easy connections and I would be having mines+ 2 CPPs + steel mill + power plant etc., I would definitely go for half-recycling on site - i probably wouldn´t do a biowaste separation unless a farm close enough (range of ca 2 km depending on road type), but would still employ a gravel recycling thingy. Just plop a
- small dump for construction waste
- gravel recycler
- ca 1000t aggregate storage
- train loading station (or connect it to coal loading you have, anyway)
and use train DO to pickup waste for separation elsewhere on the map (collectable via huge dump) and set RDO to pickup gravel from the recycling plant whenever it is 80% full.

The main point is it hugely diminishes overall waste production. Having everything mixed up helps for higher train frequency, but can overload separation facilities pretty fast (and they chew through workforce A LOT).

BTW bare minimum for construction waste is simply an aggregate storage + train loader. You just need to carry that thing elsewhere with different train, but it saves you a lot of manpower in exchange for some electricity/fuel (depending on type of trains you are running)
Onbird Sep 4, 2023 @ 5:30am 
Mining and ore processing indeed got their logistical issues amped up another notch by the addition of waste. When selecting buildings for construction, you can see how much waste they produce at full capacity, and for the mining industry, it's indeed a metric Stalin-ton of it. Which isn't surprising, considering how much useless rock the mine pulls out, and how much ore is reduced in mass when processed. What's less intuitive is that much of it isn't construction waste, but rather "other waste", i.e. burnable. Not sure what they're digging up in those mines.

In my current republic I'm building a coal mining and an iron mining area, both connected to a steel factory. Coal area is largely built, iron and steel are still WIP, so whatever coal is left over from power and brick production is going for export.

About the waste, you effectively need to dispose of both construction waste and burnable waste, and you don't want to move it by truck more than necesssary. Both mines have a large garbage container stand next to them. Being large is essential because that means they both have two parking spaces for loading/unloading. You actually can make transport lines that take directly from container stands (rather than use technical a office), I discovered this myself recently. Thus, both garbage stands are served by two lines each of one garbage truck each, one collecting construction waste and the other mixed (burnable) waste. The construction waste goes to an adjacent conveyor truck unloading station that takes it away to a gravel recycling plant, the other waste goes to an adjacent large dump with a claw and a railway connection. The dump by the coal mine has an incinerator power plant connected to it, and has a railroad going straight to the dump by the iron mine. Note that it specifically needs to be the large dump with the claw and the built-in railroad connection, otherwise train loading will be dead slow.

I don't yet have industries for cement, concrete and prefab panels, so the gravel recycling plant will feed those with gravel. The main point is really to have a useful sink for all the gravel rather than have to lug it away.

Damn, I love the garbage update. So much more logistical challenges, but also so much more possible synergies and gains from good management.
Sirius Czech Sep 4, 2023 @ 6:45am 
Originally posted by Konrad von Richtmark:
Damn, I love the garbage update. So much more logistical challenges, but also so much more possible synergies and gains from good management.

Yes, I love that, too. It is fun. I am currently testing the "Husák challenge" and waste management is just a gift and a curse at the same time for it, giving me both benefits and curses at the same time :)

I do, however, truck that thing away. There is no way I could bring rails to that area in a nice way so that was a big no for me. But it is doable with trucks only or with combination of TS and direct lines (my case - every mine has small stand for 8x6,5t container and I assigned 1 truck to each of them to pickup construction waste and go with it directly to recycling plant; rest goes via TS to the bottom of the hill where waste yard lays down and from there a DO carries biowaste/mixed waste to their final destinations.
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