Death penalty

[Sunshine]

Since we can adjust the severity of punishment for various crimes, I figured capital punishment would not only add realism to the game from a historical perspective, but also add interesting gameplay mechanics.

From the option to abstain or be flat out tyrannical - and the according consequences that come with that for gameplay.

What say the comrades?

[Elessar_warrior]

It would not be "popular" for many players i think but i would love to get rid of some prisoners to free some prison slots.
Also a "voluntary" escape for some guys (serious crime maybe) would be interesting to see.

[MrKrabs]

I love to deal with the challenges of the logistics which comes with the game. Of course I am interested about the wellbeing of my citizens.
I don't close my eyes from realism. That's why I like having now justice in the game. But having a death penalty in my republic would give me a bitter taste.

[Sunshine]

Originally posted by MrKrabs:

But having a death penalty in my republic would give me a bitter taste.

Then do not have it in your republic?
Keyword is optional.

[MrKrabs]

If it's optional. We'll OK then.
What kind of consequences are you thinking about?

[Duke Flapjack]

I worry it may make the game a bit too granular (and have too many different buildings that do too many little tiny things) but all-in-all I could go for it. Potentially just allow for say executions or exile or whatnot that the courthouse can bring down on somebody. It would be better, I feel, if it was automatic and passive.

[SPARTAN117]

nice game. needs more gulag

[BareJag]

Does anybody have any knowledge of how many actually sentenced where executed in relation to the population in comparable nations not in a state of unrest or war? The logistical impact would likely be very minor. Freeing a small percentage of prison space would have almost no effect. The same goes for the crime-preventive effects. Just look at te real world. This make this mainly a moral and political question without meaningful effect in this game other than roleplay.

[Sunshine]

Originally posted by BareJag:

Does anybody have any knowledge of how many actually sentenced where executed in relation to the population in comparable nations not in a state of unrest or war? The logistical impact would likely be very minor. Freeing a small percentage of prison space would have almost no effect. The same goes for the crime-preventive effects. Just look at te real world. This make this mainly a moral and political question without meaningful effect in this game other than roleplay.

...or loyalty of other citizens.

If the player would punish even lesser crimes severely, this could affect the loyalty of citizens negatively. I would also assume that actually having full prisons would mean higher costs involved. Harsh punishment could also mean lower crime rates with less demand for police presence.

There are a lot of possibilities and things one could experiment with.

I also feel "roleplay" is not something that should be neglected, especially with the topics at hand, socialism and totalitarian/abusive regimes.

The game is too PC and dandy anyways, portraying the Soviet Union in an exclusively positive light. A bit more reality would be in order.

[longshots444]

Originally posted by Sunshine:

The game is too PC and dandy anyways, portraying the Soviet Union in an exclusively positive light. A bit more reality would be in order.

Like the Soviets entering the Republic and deporting a 100,000 to labour camps?

[polcorp]

Being French, I am fiercely opposed to the death penalty. It is absolutely useless: the country that condemns the most to death in the West is the USA, and delinquency is not decreasing at all.

In the game, the death penalty would be unnecessary. Prisoners are more useful at work. In addition, prison plays a re-educational role. Your prisoners emerge more loyal to the political system of your Republic. And that's the goal, isn't it?

If your prisons are overcrowded, there is a problem meeting the needs of your citizens. As a good leader, you must therefore make your citizens happy....instead of eliminating them with a death sentence to avoid taking responsibility for your mistakes.

[Laki]

An interesting mechanic could be combining loyalty and sentences together so that loyal citizens would get off easier while less loyal would get longer sentences or even death.

This would help slowly filtering out disloyal citizens from high value workplaces and send them off to work on menial jobs as prisoners.

This could be managed by a sentence served +/-% by loyalty range. Ranges would be same as "Allow citizens to move in".

Example:

Minor crime sentence is 2 years. Citizens with 75-100 loyalty would spend 50% less time in prison while 0-25 loyalty would spend 50% more.

[GoRun]

My prisoners are 100 loyal after few months in prison and they go back to uni teaching new generation how to be loyal :-D

[Plasmon]

Originally posted by polcorp:

Being French, I am fiercely opposed to the death penalty. It is absolutely useless: the country that condemns the most to death in the West is the USA, and delinquency is not decreasing at all.

In the game, the death penalty would be unnecessary. Prisoners are more useful at work. In addition, prison plays a re-educational role. Your prisoners emerge more loyal to the political system of your Republic. And that's the goal, isn't it?

If your prisons are overcrowded, there is a problem meeting the needs of your citizens. As a good leader, you must therefore make your citizens happy....instead of eliminating them with a death sentence.

There are some criminals definitely unre-educationable, their existense will always be a threat and burden to other people and the society, death penalty perfectly fits for their doings. If the West wants to boast their cultural hegemony, you should have a lower crime rate than Japan, which has death penalty and much lower crime rate than the West average. If you are not better, then try respect other cultures.

[Thomas]

What is the point of all that mess? We already have escape mechanics. People with low loyalty escape and that's it. Same thing in the end. No man ,no problem said uncle Jo.
Here is what we need. CLOWNS. What kind of soviet republic without Oleg Popov?

[Thomas]

Originally posted by longshots444:

Originally posted by Sunshine:

The game is too PC and dandy anyways, portraying the Soviet Union in an exclusively positive light. A bit more reality would be in order.

Like the Soviets entering the Republic and deporting a 100,000 to labour camps?

Sounds good.
That's how real " cosmonauts " will start. Everyone else plays " like a little girl".