What do people need? Shopping wise.

[Oolykee]

Hi all,
I did a short test to see what is actually needed for people to survive and not to escape.
I have never done this before and the test surprised me.
And how fast people were escaping after you deny them some stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL8dl6kScyw&ab_channel=OolykeeGaming

So TL;DR.
Food and clothes are very much needed but they can survive without electronics and meat!
What was surprising they can survive and be next to perfect without both meat and electronics!
I did not know that.
I hope this helps someone.

[hjkdsfkhjn]

You didn't tested no alcohol city. Can you do that one too?

[bballjo]

I don't serve any alcohol...I can confirm they don't need it.

I knew about electronics, but the meat is new to me... someone mentioned it, and I wasn't sure if it was just temporary.

I did hear that they do care about electronics once you add tv and radio stations... could you check on that?

[Comrade Sky]

100% always need: food, meat, clothes
Important, angry without it, but manageable: sports
Good bonus, but not necessary: culture, alcohol

Important if you don't want everyone to die: healthcare

[Oolykee]

Originally posted by matej.per:

You didn't tested no alcohol city. Can you do that one too?

Yes. Alcohol is very much not needed. I almost never use it. I did use it in a test in order to test shopping only but feel free never to have alcohol.

Originally posted by bballjo:

I don't serve any alcohol...I can confirm they don't need it.

I knew about electronics, but the meat is new to me... someone mentioned it, and I wasn't sure if it was just temporary.

I did hear that they do care about electronics once you add TV and radio stations... could you check on that?

Radio and TV station without electronics sounds like a legit test! I will do this!
I thought people wit radios will be influenced from the outside radio stations. NATO or Soviet Union.
Thanks for the idea!

Originally posted by Comrade Sky:

100% always need: food, meat, clothes
Important, angry without it, but manageable: sports
Good bonus, but not necessary: culture, alcohol

Important if you don't want everyone to die: healthcare

Well meat is not really needed. If you go to 10:00 in the video you will see that people having everything, people without electronics and people without meat are practically the same. Meatless people have slightly less health and slightly less happiness. I would say less then 5%.

Alcohol is a weird one for me. I thought they live shorter with alcohol but they live as long or maybe even longer. But sports I don't know.

I will do some testing with Sports and Culture.

Thank you, Comrade Sky.

[polcorp]

On the subject of meat, the inhabitants need it for their health. Without meat, they get sick and die faster (especially with an epidemic).

About alcohol, it's okay. I have bars in my towns, and that's okay, as long as there are jobs for everyone.
Only if you have a lot of people out of work will this be a problem.

We must not neglect: food, clothing, access to care (hospital, clinic, etc.) and meat (for health). It is necessary (for happiness) to have access to culture. It is necessary (for happiness and health) to have access to sport.
Alcohol are not necessary. Electronics aren't a problem either, as long as you don't create a radio.

[Marius]

I think I noticed tourists demand quite a lot of electronics.

[Comrade Sky]

Originally posted by polcorp:

On the subject of meat, the inhabitants need it for their health. Without meat, they get sick and die faster (especially with an epidemic).

About alcohol, it's okay. I have bars in my towns, and that's okay, as long as there are jobs for everyone.
Only if you have a lot of people out of work will this be a problem.

We must not neglect: food, clothing, access to care (hospital, clinic, etc.) and meat (for health). It is necessary (for happiness) to have access to culture. It is necessary (for happiness and health) to have access to sport.
Alcohol are not necessary. Electronics aren't a problem either, as long as you don't create a radio.

That is interesting and another thing that isn't realistic. It bothers me how people "get sick" because of the cold as well. I get frost bite and freezing temps, but 10C is not very bad and people used to live in homes that cold for millennia. They should just be unhappy and less productive. Buy twice as much clothes as normal.

[Marius]

Originally posted by Comrade Sky:

That is interesting and another thing that isn't realistic. It bothers me how people "get sick" because of the cold as well. I get frost bite and freezing temps, but 10C is not very bad and people used to live in homes that cold for millennia. They should just be unhappy and less productive. Buy twice as much clothes as normal.

+1
I couldn't agree more.

[MG83]

LOL i never tried to skim my workers ! what a capitalistic approach !

[Oolykee]

Originally posted by MG83:

LOL i never tried to skim my workers ! what a capitalistic approach !

Nice definition of famine! :)

Originally posted by polcorp:

On the subject of meat, the inhabitants need it for their health. Without meat, they get sick and die faster (especially with an epidemic).

About alcohol, it's okay. I have bars in my towns, and that's okay, as long as there are jobs for everyone.
Only if you have a lot of people out of work will this be a problem.

We must not neglect: food, clothing, access to care (hospital, clinic, etc.) and meat (for health). It is necessary (for happiness) to have access to culture. It is necessary (for happiness and health) to have access to sport.

Did you by any chance check 10:00 timestamp? No meat barely affects them. Health and happiness is barely down. Less then 5% i recon.

But this test was only for few months so might get bad later on.

Regarding the sports and culture and radio station I'm on it! I hope I will have video out in few hours. :)

[MG83]

then additional test needs to be made .
test wtihout alcohol (it works fine i did)
test without culture
test without sport
test without alcohol and culture
test without alcohol and sport
thest without culture alcohol and sport
test without meat electronics alcohol
test without meat electronics culture
test without meat electronics sport
test without meat electronics alcohol culture
test without meat electronics alcohol culture sport.

Lol lots of tests need to be done

[MG83]

what was the diff setup of citizen reaction ?

[tripodalt]

jus check live expectancy in homes it must be 85y when all is ok
when living around a coal generator it fall at 45y and its impossible to play because hospital are full forever
even an industry at proximity made them loose 20y of life
at start i buyed all the people needed and the alcool bar was empty
so i guess some opptional need matter in critical situation as lack of homes and jobs as it can happend as soon the city is so huge than micromanagement become impossible

tought a police magnagement in capitalist game$ is generaly involved at this level
but its well know that not hapend in communist countrys

[polcorp]

Originally posted by Oolykee:

Originally posted by polcorp:

On the subject of meat, the inhabitants need it for their health. Without meat, they get sick and die faster (especially with an epidemic).

About alcohol, it's okay. I have bars in my towns, and that's okay, as long as there are jobs for everyone.
Only if you have a lot of people out of work will this be a problem.

We must not neglect: food, clothing, access to care (hospital, clinic, etc.) and meat (for health). It is necessary (for happiness) to have access to culture. It is necessary (for happiness and health) to have access to sport.

Did you by any chance check 10:00 timestamp? No meat barely affects them. Health and happiness is barely down. Less then 5% i recon.

But this test was only for few months so might get bad later on.

Regarding the sports and culture and radio station I'm on it! I hope I will have video out in few hours. :)

As I only practice self-construction, I have time to observe and follow the inhabitants in their buildings.
I never tried to deprive them of meat.
On the other hand, in a store whose supply was cut without my realizing it, I had the impression that the absence of meat for a long time had an influence on the state of health. I had a lot of deaths.
By restoring the meat supply, I saw a decrease in mortality.
As said, this is just an impression. It is possible that I am wrong.

[Comrade Sky]

Originally posted by MG83:

LOL i never tried to skim my workers ! what a capitalistic approach !

Definitely true