Heating pump stations

[MG83]

Greeting i am fiddling with pump stations and heating .

My goal is to put a heating station to 1km line out of the city start . Purpose is pollution free city.

However due to setup of city it may require to use 3x heating pump station. when done that the heat amout in heat exchanger gets below 45 or something due to inefficiencies in heating station thus when cold winter comes heating in houses drops below 15 sometimes and causes great dissatisfaction.

thing i have tried so far to overcome this issue : for the first pump i connected 2x heating station (bigone ) and used 300 m3 pipes . then connected that heat pump to next pump (end to end ) then connectedto next pump (end to end) then heat exchanges . however still same amount. it did not buldge.

i would like to ask how you guys solved this distance / efficiency issue with heating ?

Good games.

[Ernst Cornell]

pumps have a capacity that you can check on the heat transformers as long as you keep them below 100% they should work well.

personally i tend to use small heater plants at 380meters and connect them to the residential block with a gravel footpath, most of the time that's enough distance but very rarely the wind manages to blow over the apts with its obvious lethal consequences.

i've tried and done 1 km long heat pipes with no problem (and mostly to take advantage of an existent bus stop at an industrial complex) but buses aren't exactly reliable in winter unless you have way too many snowplows so i'd recommend using a cableway to keep a heat station staffed all time. they're surprisingly reliable and cheap even if their stations are a bit big and a bit on the low throughput side

[MG83]

Originally posted by Ernst Cornell:

pumps have a capacity that you can check on the heat transformers as long as you keep them below 100% they should work well.

they are always kepts with enpugh supply i connect big heating plant to 2 or 3 of them
but when i use pump and lets say connecto 1.8k km away the end exchanger drops below 80 degree even i usse 2x pipe incoming to heat pump. : / this causes the facility or house to get around 50 degree . when the temprature hits -10 it becomes problem. gets the house under 20 degree

[fjorkar]

I read that the old houses (vanilla card + population) have their own heating system. When I build a new building in the middle of the old town, I need heat distributors.
The only question is whether only the cinema draws heat from the heat distributor.
or also the old houses?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2345351256

[joeball123]

Originally posted by fjorkar:

The only question is whether only the cinema draws heat from the heat distributor or also the old houses?

I believe that the old houses only heat themselves when district heating is unavailable.

[fjorkar]

So in my example I also have to take the old houses into account (calculation of the need)?

[joeball123]

Originally posted by fjorkar:

So in my example I also have to take the old houses into account (calculation of the need)?

I believe so, yes.

[fjorkar]

Thank you for the answers.
the planning committee will have to meet again.

[Comrade Sky]

Pollution won't hit the city if the heating plant is about 200m away for light polluting plants, and about 300-400m away for heavy polluting plants

[MG83]

Originally posted by Comrade Sky:

Pollution won't hit the city if the heating plant is about 200m away for light polluting plants, and about 300-400m away for heavy polluting plants

well i sort of had principle of putting 1km between industry facilities and accomodation. To achive that i had to use 2x pump station in one end to end connection and that reduced the heat exchanger heat under 60 :( pretty in efficient. when i dont put pumps things are cool. but pumps i think in the game does not work like a pump : / i agree that there should be some efficiency issues when you want to transfer heat for long distances but i think that should just effect the amount of heat used to transfer (wasting more coal as result) . not the end amount. however i am not mechanical engineer :P

[Comrade Sky]

Originally posted by MG83:

Originally posted by Comrade Sky:

Pollution won't hit the city if the heating plant is about 200m away for light polluting plants, and about 300-400m away for heavy polluting plants

well i sort of had principle of putting 1km between industry facilities and accomodation. To achive that i had to use 2x pump station in one end to end connection and that reduced the heat exchanger heat under 60 :( pretty in efficient. when i dont put pumps things are cool. but pumps i think in the game does not work like a pump : / i agree that there should be some efficiency issues when you want to transfer heat for long distances but i think that should just effect the amount of heat used to transfer (wasting more coal as result) . not the end amount. however i am not mechanical engineer :P

Well, that is how it works in real life: You can't make one tank of water hotter by taking the heat out of some of the water and putting it in the rest. You have to have another compressor for that, and that takes more energy. The game's distances are very weird. It is a mix of local and regional. 1 km is a very long distance in the game. I am not the happiest with the current balance, but it makes sense with the current scales.

[MG83]

Originally posted by Comrade Sky:

Originally posted by MG83:

well i sort of had principle of putting 1km between industry facilities and accomodation. To achive that i had to use 2x pump station in one end to end connection and that reduced the heat exchanger heat under 60 :( pretty in efficient. when i dont put pumps things are cool. but pumps i think in the game does not work like a pump : / i agree that there should be some efficiency issues when you want to transfer heat for long distances but i think that should just effect the amount of heat used to transfer (wasting more coal as result) . not the end amount. however i am not mechanical engineer :P

Well, that is how it works in real life: You can't make one tank of water hotter by taking the heat out of some of the water and putting it in the rest. You have to have another compressor for that, and that takes more energy. The game's distances are very weird. It is a mix of local and regional. 1 km is a very long distance in the game. I am not the happiest with the current balance, but it makes sense with the current scales.

well i agree on that but the issue is then the pump is total useless and there is no point in extending the pipe over the 1km with pumps hmm. But with increasing the pressure you can increase the maximum boiling point of water. for example in 5 bar boiling point of water is 151 celcius . so you can make water hotter in the source to met the celcius of end. and 5 bar is a easy to obtain in big heating systems with pumps.

[FPStewy]

Originally posted by Comrade Sky:

Pollution won't hit the city if the heating plant is about 200m away for light polluting plants, and about 300-400m away for heavy polluting plants

totally agree, I had to restart my game because of this, pumping to me seems to be useless or very frustrating, anything over 1km is trouble, the bleed off is to much IMO. I have my Plant at 400m and no pollution and heating is 90%

[Gunman]

so the solution is local heating then until things get fixed, because it wasnt obvius to me that something was wrong until half my population died.

[MG83]

Originally posted by #FPStewy:

Originally posted by Comrade Sky:

Pollution won't hit the city if the heating plant is about 200m away for light polluting plants, and about 300-400m away for heavy polluting plants

totally agree, I had to restart my game because of this, pumping to me seems to be useless or very frustrating, anything over 1km is trouble, the bleed off is to much IMO. I have my Plant at 400m and no pollution and heating is 90%

i actually tested it and 400 meter definetely effects city. in other areas i had % 80 health ratio while near to heating station under % 60 :( i play in hard difficulty.

[MG83]

Originally posted by Gunman:

so the solution is local heating then until things get fixed, because it wasnt obvius to me that something was wrong until half my population died.

actually if it was possible to feed heating station from nuclear reactor cooling lines it would be no issue :D