Uneducated workers

[ryantheskinny]

Are they completely useless? Can I educate them? Seems they should work in agriculture or mines, but I haven't tested it out.

[cdog]

Uneducated workers can't work any jobs, I believe they can get a basic education at the high school. That shouldnt happen unless you import third world immgrants which is a bad idea.

[Pure Hostility]

Originally posted by cdog:

Uneducated workers can't work any jobs, I believe they can get a basic education at the high school. That shouldnt happen unless you import third world immgrants which is a bad idea.

Importing third world immigrants is actually a great idea, as you get 10 for basically no money (around 1k USD) , meanwhile for 10 pops from soviets is 4-5k of R$, which not only is more expensive but also costs you more valuable currency.

Importing with USD is viable once you set up your initial town with most basic infrastructure (that included education).

[cdog]

But then you waste precious time and school space educating them, which of course requires educated workers. You really only need to import a few thousand, they have many children and soon lack of housing will be the main concern.

[aclyte]

I think you can invite 3rd countries workers if you have empty schools and lot of teachers. But, in most cases, you just d't trade with NATO and buy normal workers for roubles.

[Dramoth]

Uneducated workers should be able to work.

The industry buildings should be divided up to reflect real life. Uneducated workers do labouring jobs. People with a level 1 education do supervising jobs, while people with a level 2 education do professional jobs (doctors, accountants, managers).

Take into consideration a pub. It takes 5 workers. 4 of those workers could be uneducated (0-.9 education) and 1 level 1 educated worker.

A steel mill requires 500 workers. You could have 350 uneducated workers, 100 level 1 workers and 50 level 2 workers to achieve maximum efficiency.

As uneducated workers become skilled level 1 workers, they will move into different jobs.

I am having a crisis with one of my towns now. There are too many uneducated workers in the town despite it having close to 1900 people living there. Around 1550 are uneducated, around 200 are level 1 educated, and the rest are level 2. 1059 are working aged people.

I have 2 kindergartens, 3 schools and I just built a technical university there. As well, I have a city hall.

Level 1 and 2 workers should be concentrating on those buildings as well as filling minor roles in other jobs around the town. However, these levels of workers will just fill any job. (I have someone aged 82 working in the pub).

I think that the devs need to work out some better demographics and job fulfilment requirements for the population. Someone aged 82 isn't working age. They are retired and taking the job of someone who is working aged.

[forged73]

Originally posted by Dramoth:

Uneducated workers should be able to work.

No, they should not work.
This is incompatible with the ideology of Socialism, where every citizen should finish at least elementary school, that is, be able to write, read, count, know the basics of functioning and the history of the world.
In socialist countries in the Eastern Bloc, people who were not able to complete education at this basic level were treated as mental disabilities and received a life pension from the government.
No one has entrusted such individual with any work, no tool to do harm to themselves or to others.

[Dramoth]

Originally posted by forged73:

Originally posted by Dramoth:

Uneducated workers should be able to work.

No, they should not work.
This is incompatible with the ideology of Socialism, where every citizen should finish at least elementary school, that is, be able to write, read, count, know the basics of functioning and the history of the world.
In socialist countries in the Eastern Bloc, people who were not able to complete education at this basic level were treated as mental disabilities and received a life pension from the government.
No one has entrusted such individual with any work, no tool to do harm to themselves or to others.

So we bring in immigrants who end up being uneducated... unable to work... which defeats the purpose of us bringing them in in the first place.

A basic education gets you to 15 years old. Yes, there are certain types that can't grasp a basic education. But... there seems to be a lot of people who aren't getting an education. It could be that the teaching numbers mechanics needs to be revised or as in my other post, different skill levels need to be worked out.

[forged73]

If you decide to invite immigrants from the 3rd world, you have to have at least one functional primary school. After settling in your republic, they immediately look for means of transport to this school, or if it is within walking distance, they go there on foot.
Of course, they also have other needs like other residents. After completing the education process, they become workers with basic education.
As someone wrote above, they are very cheap. It's their advantage. You have to feel the moment when it is worth using this method of increasing the republic's population.

[jhughes]

Originally posted by Dramoth:

Originally posted by forged73:

No, they should not work.
This is incompatible with the ideology of Socialism, where every citizen should finish at least elementary school, that is, be able to write, read, count, know the basics of functioning and the history of the world.
In socialist countries in the Eastern Bloc, people who were not able to complete education at this basic level were treated as mental disabilities and received a life pension from the government.
No one has entrusted such individual with any work, no tool to do harm to themselves or to others.

So we bring in immigrants who end up being uneducated... unable to work... which defeats the purpose of us bringing them in in the first place.

A basic education gets you to 15 years old. Yes, there are certain types that can't grasp a basic education. But... there seems to be a lot of people who aren't getting an education. It could be that the teaching numbers mechanics needs to be revised or as in my other post, different skill levels need to be worked out.

You need schools and teachers. It is that simple. If you look at a school, you can see if there are students waiting in the school yard. If there is, you either need more staff and teaches (if both are not at 100%). If there are students waiting and the school is fully staffed, then you need another school. It is quite simple. If there are not enough schools and teaches and staff for you population then you are not doing your job as the leader.

[ryantheskinny]

I still think uneducated should be able to farm, mine and cut trees at least. But since the state, and not the parents are raising them I guess it makes sense that that isn't something that happens since their parents wouldn't be able to teach them basic life skills I guess... But still

[forged73]

You don't understand Ryan.

In Socialism school for elementary education was prepared in this way to be able to complete education at this basic level for all mental healthy citizens.

Only persons with mental disablities / intellectual disabilities (or socially, sociologically, because they did not want to learn) were not able to complete the basic level of education, and as such were treated as unable to work.
In other words, someone who did not graduate from primary school was so stupid that no one gave him any work, that he would not hurt himself, someone else, and did not destroy the tools of work.

Free education for all and the elimination of illiteracy is one of the most important fundamental goals of Socialism.

[ryantheskinny]

Well that is why it is that way is because it's socialism. Obviously you have to have a diploma to plow a field :p

But from the perspective of state controlled everything and the fact they mentally assess them makes sense that it is that way, the education is also a mental assessment to be able to function normally in society.

[tea_bush]

Originally posted by forged73:

You don't understand Ryan.

In Socialism school for elementary education was prepared in this way to be able to complete education at this basic level for all mental healthy citizens.

Only persons with mental disablities / intellectual disabilities (or socially, sociologically, because they did not want to learn) were not able to complete the basic level of education, and as such were treated as unable to work.
In other words, someone who did not graduate from primary school was so stupid that no one gave him any work, that he would not hurt himself, someone else, and did not destroy the tools of work.

Free education for all and the elimination of illiteracy is one of the most important fundamental goals of Socialism.

You exaggerate. There were many people, who couldn't complete their education because of the war, for example.

Also, there were special schools for grown-ups, they attended them in the evening after work. These people, obviously, wanted to complete their education, but were unable to during their childhood not because of disability, but because of some serious circumstances.

[forged73]

"The planned action to eliminate illiteracy in Poland was conducted in 1949-1952 by the People's Poland government. The first attempts were made already in 1945. Department of Education and Adult Culture of the Ministry of Education developed a draft decree on compulsory teaching illiterate. However, only the Act of July 7, 1949 introduced the obligation of free education for illiterate and semi-literate people from 14 to 50 years of age. The People's Army of Poland was also obliged to teach soldiers in military service. Certificates of completion of the course were received by 618 298 people. In 1952, the parliament passed the end of the campaign [5]. In 1958 the liquidation of secondary illiteracy began, which became a marginal phenomenon and in 1978 it amounted to 0.9% "

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analfabetyzm

In addition:
https://www.rbth.com/history/328721-education-in-ussr-the-best

[Fiend]

Originally posted by forged73:

Originally posted by Dramoth:

Uneducated workers should be able to work.

No, they should not work.
This is incompatible with the ideology of Socialism, where every citizen should finish at least elementary school, that is, be able to write, read, count, know the basics of functioning and the history of the world.
In socialist countries in the Eastern Bloc, people who were not able to complete education at this basic level were treated as mental disabilities and received a life pension from the government.
No one has entrusted such individual with any work, no tool to do harm to themselves or to others.

These uneducated people may pre-date the arrival of socialism though. This game is simulating the conversion to socialism, not just ideologically pure socialism.
In rural areas like Siberia I do not believe uneducated people just sat around doing nothing. they would have starved. They were doing fieldwork and animal rearing before socialism arrived so they would have continued to do that. The state may have eventually educated most of them but there was a transitional period. It takes years educate a population, and in those years, work still has to be done.

Also, when playing a prepopulated map, it would make more sense to have a mixed educated/uneducated population, mostly doing fieldwork; than the current system where they are in some kind of suspended-animation, doing nothing until the player interferes.