Prefab 179 seems superior in most aspects.

[MG83]

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Hello folks i have made some calculations and checked how the housing situation is . It seems that Prefab 179 is sorta superior.

i also made design calculations when you place them information as 4 building back to back side to side covering sides with roads.

area by box - number of residence - density
42.00 388 9.23 Prefab 97
80.00 508 6.35 Prefab 127
140 716 5.11 Prefab 179


So why brick houses so crap ? even i remove the cost of brick it is still bad than prefab :(

Your thoughts ?

[Comrade Joe]

My take is we need a ton of more brick houses, of various shapes and sizes, and especially a few oriented toward small town/village making.
I think the devs haven't put much thought in the characteristics they gave most housing buildings, other than the housing capacity.

[Tryst49]

Prefabs are always superior when it comes to numbers being housed. The problem they have is that they were originally designed for short term housing and don't really last long. Their original use was after the war when so many people had their houses destroyed by bombs and had to be re-housed quickly and cheaply while alternative brick housing was built. Consequently, they were built as a short term emergency residences that were meant to be demolished once the brick houses were rebuilt.

On the other hand, a brick built house is long term housing, with a far longer lifespan and gives far more space internally, so the number being housed is less. This SHOULD also add to happiness factor since you are living in a home that is more soundproof against neighbours noise, has more living space to move around and is more secure against intrusion.

The problem is that governments realised these were cheap and easy to build, so they started building them as standard housing. People only buy them because they have no alternative.

[ryantheskinny]

Originally posted by indianos:

My take is we need a ton of more brick houses, of various shapes and sizes, and especially a few oriented toward small town/village making.
I think the devs haven't put much thought in the characteristics they gave most housing buildings, other than the housing capacity.

Well the one problem with that is the Socialist part of the equation. They just didn't build many small houses. Everything became large projects and prefabs. Small towns where abandoned etc.

[tea_bush]

I have three thoughts on this.

1) Housing just needs more variety.

2) All or most buildings in the game should have a brick version, a prefab version, and some of them a concrete/glass version and a wooden version.

3) These building versions have to unlock historically, either by research, or just as time goes on.

This way the cities would look marvelous.

[Red]

I agree. Most of the time I use 179 prefab. Simply because it is just better in all terms.
I think it is a pitty, that we can not start with wood only houses, then move up to brick and prefab panel houses then metal and glass, as you industry grows.
It makes little sense to me that you need less metal for prefab house than a brick one.

[MG83]

Originally posted by Tryst49:

Prefabs are always superior when it comes to numbers being housed. The problem they have is that they were originally designed for short term housing and don't really last long.

i think you might be mixing prefabric housing . Check precast on google that is equivalent about prefab in the game. They last long and cost less. Only issue is their design is limited . at recurring designs they are superior ( building same house 100 time ie) but they are not well at complex designs (such as hospitals school etc )

[MG83]

Originally posted by Red:

I agree. Most of the time I use 179 prefab. Simply because it is just better in all terms.
I think it is a pitty, that we can not start with wood only houses, then move up to brick and prefab panel houses then metal and glass, as you industry grows.
It makes little sense to me that you need less metal for prefab house than a brick one.

i made the list to check some other aspects . One of the aspect was eliminating the costs . at right there is a tab that shows how much profit you would make if you constructed yourself instead of buying. for prefab you require to construct cement factory prefab factory which is very costly when compared to brick and wood. i checked the amounts by removing the costs of resources for that particular materials to see how it would derived but still 179 seems very superior. The only point its not superior is on density with prefab 97 you can design more dense population . In conclusion it felt prefab is superior. You can also use your constructed prefab materials for railway construction .

[MG83]

I also think that if there were pure concrete housing instead of prefab would be pretty nice . Since any building that is designed with prefab can also be solved with concrete casting. Just require more static analysis.

[Bata Sale]

Originally posted by indianos:

My take is we need a ton of more brick houses, of various shapes and sizes, and especially a few oriented toward small town/village making.
I think the devs haven't put much thought in the characteristics they gave most housing buildings, other than the housing capacity.

This kind of tells me that you have never lived under a communist regime where the main housing philosophy was "put as many people as you can in the smallest possible space you can for the smallest amount of money possible". :)

BTW, question for devs, will there be tourism and will we be able to build those awesome "high B category hotel complexes for working people" in our republics? So besides selling them vegetables and coal en large the unions could also take our people to the beach or skiing trips like IRL. :) Thanks.

[MG83]

Prefab 179 seems the highest quality of all houses. Can someone confirm that if the prefab housing was the most quality one at soviet times ?

since prefab 179 beats in echonomics qualiy and size all other building types it does not makes much sense for me . Reason is that if you want something high quality it generally costs more. according to this basic some other housing quality should be higher than prefab179 due to higher costs and resource spend.

[tea_bush]

Of course not. Panel houses were always considered bad quality. But they are much better than nothing!

[Honilno]

@MG93
How does your train & truck efficiency sheet look like?

[tea_bush]

To put it simple, Soviet architecture had two approaches, Stalin's and Khrushchev's.

The first was like, let's build few good houses for a few good comrades, while everybody else lives in barracks or even dugouts. It had obvious drawbacks, but the houses that were built during that period were really good and are considered prestigious even today. Most of them were traditional brick houses, with an addition of few super cool concrete skyscrapers, each of them costing close to a whole town of prefabricated panel buildings.

The second approach was, let's build cheap and low quality houses for everybody, so that every Soviet citizen lives in decent conditions. That is the prefab Soviet architecture represented in WRSR.

During the second period brick houses were built, too. They were few and were considered much better than concrete ones.

[Bata Sale]

Similar in Yugoslavia. But prefabs were there from the start. First smaller buildings, then larger. Also mixture of concrete and bricks building, but those were built mainly by the army and police for their people.

Later on, starting from the late 70's, high quality brick and concrete buildings white ornamental bricks on the outside started popping up for the rising middle class. (Yugoslavia was more like modern day China than like USSR). Even today those buildings, including the ones made by the army and police, are considered as high quality, people today buy apartments in those buildings and modernize them. You can actually see all that diversity in New Belgrade today. From big square prefabs to nice looking ornamental brick buildings. The entire New Belgrade (except later modern buildings) was built by communists starting in the 60's, before that it was a swamp.

[MG83]

Originally posted by tea_bush:

During the second period brick houses were built, too. They were few and were considered much better than concrete ones.

so brick houses should had more quality than concrete / prefab :) thanks !