Joystick recomendations?

[cybx]

Any joystick recomendations? 🙂i've been playing this too long with keyboard and i want to try it with a joystick.

[YangDou]

Currently, the best joystick on the market (in term of price & performance) is the Gladiator NXT EVO. In comparison, joysticks from logitech, Thrustmaster are nothing more than a scam. If you want to go with cheaper options, you must at least choose a joystick with magnetic sensor (hall effect sensor). Potentiometer type sensors in classic joysticks/gampads do not have enough durability and precision for FPS game.

[cybx]

Originally posted by YangDou:

Currently, the best joystick on the market (in term of price & performance) is the Gladiator NXT EVO. In comparison, joysticks from logitech, Thrustmaster are nothing more than a scam. If you want to go with cheaper options, you must at least choose a joystick with magnetic sensor (hall effect sensor). Potentiometer type sensors in classic joysticks/gampads do not have enough durability and precision for FPS game.

Interesting but that one its not on the game list of supported joysticks for MW5. Also, i cant find one new on ebay or amazon. Does the joysticks have this on their box descriptions so i can be shure that im looking for one that have the Potentiometer type sensors?

[YangDou]

Originally posted by cybx:

Originally posted by YangDou:

Currently, the best joystick on the market (in term of price & performance) is the Gladiator NXT EVO. In comparison, joysticks from logitech, Thrustmaster are nothing more than a scam. If you want to go with cheaper options, you must at least choose a joystick with magnetic sensor (hall effect sensor). Potentiometer type sensors in classic joysticks/gampads do not have enough durability and precision for FPS game.

Interesting but that one its not on the game list of supported joysticks for MW5. Also, i cant find one new on ebay or amazon. Does the joysticks have this on their box descriptions so i can be shure that im looking for one that have the Potentiometer type sensors?

You buy it from the VKB official website, that's the only way to get it for most countries. But you probably have more choice if you live inside US. Don't worry about "game compatibility" on PC, all PC games use the generic gamecontroller driver interface, it doesn't matter what your gamecontroller is it will be recognized (unless the game does not support any controller/gamepad, which is rare this days).

The joystick specifically tell you what kind of sensor it has. For example TM16000 would brand its "hall effect sensor" on the box. If it doesn't mention anything about the sensor, then it has the potentiometer sensor. If you are not sure. Post it here.

By the way, it's all right to buy a used hall effect joystick, assuming it is still structurally intact. Hall/magnetic sensor won't lose precision over time. The plastic parts may be worn out, but the precision of the sensor would remain in day 1 condition forever.

[cybx]

Originally posted by YangDou:

Originally posted by cybx:

Interesting but that one its not on the game list of supported joysticks for MW5. Also, i cant find one new on ebay or amazon. Does the joysticks have this on their box descriptions so i can be shure that im looking for one that have the Potentiometer type sensors?

You buy it from the VKB official website, that's the only way to get it for most countries. But you probably have more choice if you live inside US. Don't worry about "game compatibility" on PC, all PC games use the generic gamecontroller driver interface, it doesn't matter what your gamecontroller is it will be recognized (unless the game does not support any controller/gamepad, which is rare this days).

The joystick specifically tell you what kind of sensor it has. For example TM16000 would brand its "hall effect sensor" on the box. If it doesn't mention anything about the sensor, then it has the potentiometer sensor. If you are not sure. Post it here.

By the way, it's all right to buy a used hall effect joystick, assuming it is still structurally intact. Hall/magnetic sensor won't lose precision over time. The plastic parts may be worn out, but the precision of the sensor would remain in day 1 condition forever.

Thanks. Wow they are expensive hehe

[YangDou]

I wouldn't call 135 usd expensive for a joystick that lasts. Since all Logitech Thrustmaster trash sell at a much higher price than that. Not sure about the price in Europe through.

[cybx]

Originally posted by YangDou:

I wouldn't call 135 usd expensive for a joystick that lasts. Since all Logitech Thrustmaster trash sell at a much higher price than that. Not sure about the price in Europe through.

Yes Thrustmaster are more expensive. Why do you think those are not good?

[HarvT]

Originally posted by cybx:

Originally posted by YangDou:

I wouldn't call 135 usd expensive for a joystick that lasts. Since all Logitech Thrustmaster trash sell at a much higher price than that. Not sure about the price in Europe through.

Yes Thrustmaster are more expensive. Why do you think those are not good?

he needs to think that to support his purchase. i bought the thrustmaster warthog in 2015. both the throttle and stick work as good as day one. you dont have twist though so i use rudder pedals to steer. i twist left and right with the sticks x axis, and steer direction with the toe breaks. a button under my middle finger on the throttle lines everything back up. if i hold that button the sticks x axis steers.

i will say it was kind of a pain in the ass to set this up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcCAd_He7NA&ab_channel=TakemichiShibuya theres all you need right there in links and description. i dont know if playing with a hotas makes you any better at the game but i will say its a hell of a lot of fun.

[YangDou]

Originally posted by cybx:

Originally posted by YangDou:

I wouldn't call 135 usd expensive for a joystick that lasts. Since all Logitech Thrustmaster trash sell at a much higher price than that. Not sure about the price in Europe through.

Yes Thrustmaster are more expensive. Why do you think those are not good?

Because I come from Thrustmaster t16000M, brought specifically for IL-2 and MW4 in 2010 (it was very cheap back then). The sensor was immaculate to this day. But the plastics did not last, although it would make squeaky noise from the very first day, it would become even worse after each years of use for 8 years. I often open it to maintain the gimbal, I can see the design of it is not the most logical. I was left with no joystick to use after the throttle bar fall off (2018) until I switched to Gladiator NXT in 2021. T16000M was worth it back then because it cost merely 90 cad. It's definitely not worth it at the current price. Other problems with T16000M including the non ergonomic design, the joystick was too tight for MechWarrior games and it's very difficult to modify except to remove the spring entirely (I did that). The Z axis is not distinct and when you move in X/Y direction you would inadvertently turn the Z axis as well, reducing your turning efficiency in flight sims. The buttons are located too close to each other, you would press the wrong buttons all the time. Before T16000M I was using Logitech potentiometer joysticks (Logitech Wingman Extreme), I still have them (2 in total) in perfect condition like new, but the sensors inside were long gone after years of use.

The problem with buying an expensive joystick like the Warthog is it does not give you anything the cheap ones not, it's like buying a limited edition bible signed by pope himself. It feels good to have, but it's a bible like any other. (Frankly, there are options much better than warthog nowadays, but I am not going into that). People who really into flight sims, and keep up to date with the new flight sim hardwares are unlikely to recommend the Warthog nowadays, and they won't recommend VR and HOTAS setup either. Only people who never really experienced those would recommend it, for reasons I cannot fathom. A true Simmer would tell you TrackNP (NOT TrackIR) and Twin joystick combo give you far better experience (also the cheapest option) in flight sims.

I would suggest you to save your money on flight joysticks, but put money on a driving wheel, where the expensive ones actually give you much better technology and driving experience. (You will want it at some point I am sure of it).

The reason I recommend people the Gladiator NXT (not just to you) is because I was recommending T16000M for a very long time even after Gladiator NXT come out (Because I didn't know VKB existed). When I finally get my hand on one in 2021 I was shocked by its build quality and features (3 throttle axes and 1 mini joystick on a entry level stick). And I really feel sorry for those people who brought T16000M because of my recommendation. I recommend NXT now whenever I got the chance, just to balance out my negative karma.

[cybx]

Originally posted by HarvyThrasher:

Originally posted by cybx:

Yes Thrustmaster are more expensive. Why do you think those are not good?

he needs to think that to support his purchase. i bought the thrustmaster warthog in 2015. both the throttle and stick work as good as day one. you dont have twist though so i use rudder pedals to steer. i twist left and right with the sticks x axis, and steer direction with the toe breaks. a button under my middle finger on the throttle lines everything back up. if i hold that button the sticks x axis steers.

i will say it was kind of a pain in the ass to set this up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcCAd_He7NA&ab_channel=TakemichiShibuya theres all you need right there in links and description. i dont know if playing with a hotas makes you any better at the game but i will say its a hell of a lot of fun.

It must be very nice to play with those

[cybx]

Originally posted by YangDou:

Originally posted by cybx:

Yes Thrustmaster are more expensive. Why do you think those are not good?

Because I come from Thrustmaster t16000M, brought specifically for IL-2 and MW4 in 2010 (it was very cheap back then). The sensor was immaculate to this day. But the plastics did not last, although it would make squeaky noise from the very first day, it would become even worse after each years of use for 8 years. I often open it to maintain the gimbal, I can see the design of it is not the most logical. I was left with no joystick to use after the throttle bar fall off (2018) until I switched to Gladiator NXT in 2021. T16000M was worth it back then because it cost merely 90 cad. It's definitely not worth it at the current price. Other problems with T16000M including the non ergonomic design, the joystick was too tight for MechWarrior games and it's very difficult to modify except to remove the spring entirely (I did that). The Z axis is not distinct and when you move in X/Y direction you would inadvertently turn the Z axis as well, reducing your turning efficiency in flight sims.

Before T16000M I was using Logitech potentiometer joysticks (Logitech Wingman Extreme), I still have them (2 in total) in perfect condition like new, but the sensors inside was long gone after years of use.

(I have to go to do something else, I will finish my reply later today. Sorry.)

oohh i see. Thanks for the information about that joystick

[Malenthas]

The best joysticks and throttles on the market are made by Virpil.

I have one of their joysticks and throttles. Pretty expensive, but the build quality is in another league compared with other companies.

If you have the means, I highly recommend them.

[Ayar]

2x Virpil Alphas is awesome experience.
1x Virpil Alpha + Mongoos T-50 CM3 is pretty decent.
Mongoos T-50 CM3 + Logitech Ergo M57 not a bad combo, but no longer emersive--much easier aiming though and thumb has more DoF than your arm-mouse.

Might try a 3DConnexion 6dof mouse next (hi cad people) but some games in the queue first. And have to untrain large arm movements from the hosas.

[necro55]

Was not familiar with them, but that is some pretty nice hardware right there.

How good is the software side of those?

[cybx]

Originally posted by Malenthas:

The best joysticks and throttles on the market are made by Virpil.

I have one of their joysticks and throttles. Pretty expensive, but the build quality is in another league compared with other companies.

If you have the means, I highly recommend them.

🙂thanks

[cybx]

The immersion of those are very nice🙂