Playing this one again, because Dark Ages sucks.

[Yonix]

So, I just tried Dark Ages via Game Pass, and boy... does it suck. Especially after booting up Eternal just for comparison’s sake — the difference really shows. Eternal's combat is fast-paced, chaotic, and rewarding. Dark Ages just has you spamming the shield button.

And yes, I do mind that Dark Ages ditched the Glory Kills — they’re something else in Eternal.

So, time to finally finish Eternal, I guess. After all these years. Doom (2016) also took me four years. :P

[Shepherd]

I tried playing Eternal, but the FOV zooms way in during the glory kills, I hate it so much. Hate the Mario crap too. I think these new Doom games are just bad all around.

[Ben]

Originally posted by Shepherd:

I tried playing Eternal, but the FOV zooms way in during the glory kills, I hate it so much. Hate the Mario crap too. I think these new Doom games are just bad all around.

there is away to stop that zoom in on glory kills, try the console commands
sync_JeffsFOVHottness 0
sync_autoFOV 0
or this mod https://www.nexusmods.com/doometernal/mods/1255
it has a setting option to make whatever fov you want during glory/chainsaw kill, and can even stop zoom in on arblest and shotgun weapon mods

[₮Ɇ₳Ɽ]

God forbid they wanted to try something different instead of making a Eternal 2

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by ₮Ɇ₳Ɽ:

God forbid they wanted to try something different instead of making a Eternal 2

God forbid they took the gimmick from DE that served as combat pace breaker and do a whole game around it while also being slower and focused on the shield (another thing that should never belong in a DOOM game).
God forbid indeed, call that game anything else but DOOM and people would not go at it expecting DOOM gameplay to then be disappointed.

[₮Ɇ₳Ɽ]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Originally posted by ₮Ɇ₳Ɽ:

God forbid they wanted to try something different instead of making a Eternal 2

God forbid they took the gimmick from DE that served as combat pace breaker and do a whole game around it while also being slower and focused on the shield (another thing that should never belong in a DOOM game).
God forbid indeed, call that game anything else but DOOM and people would not go at it expecting DOOM gameplay to then be disappointed.

Yap yap yap

Doom Dark Ages is just as worthy of the title of being called Doom as Eternal

Not their fault you hate the fact they reinvent the formula and try something new in each new installment

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by ₮Ɇ₳Ɽ:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

God forbid they took the gimmick from DE that served as combat pace breaker and do a whole game around it while also being slower and focused on the shield (another thing that should never belong in a DOOM game).
God forbid indeed, call that game anything else but DOOM and people would not go at it expecting DOOM gameplay to then be disappointed.

Yap yap yap

Doom Dark Ages is just as worthy of the title of being called Doom as Eternal

Not their fault you hate the fact they reinvent the formula and try something new in each new installment

It is not yap yap yap, MARAUDER the Dark Ages is just a game around the Marauder gimmick and that is not DOOM gameplay, it is something else.

Yap yap yap you and whoever thinks or defends Marauder is DOOM gameplay just because it is in a DOOM game, it always was just a combat pace breaker in DE and one that most of the time could even be ignored with bombardment of other demons around the Marauder (killing or almost killing the Marauder in the process so ignoring the red/green lighht mechanic entirely while not having the combat pace broken).

[TheAlmightySunBro, Silkaire]

I don’t get all this hate for Dark Ages. Yes Eternals better, but it’s very close imo.

[Dr. Professor Commander]

Originally posted by ₮Ɇ₳Ɽ:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

God forbid they took the gimmick from DE that served as combat pace breaker and do a whole game around it while also being slower and focused on the shield (another thing that should never belong in a DOOM game).
God forbid indeed, call that game anything else but DOOM and people would not go at it expecting DOOM gameplay to then be disappointed.

Yap yap yap

Doom Dark Ages is just as worthy of the title of being called Doom as Eternal

Not their fault you hate the fact they reinvent the formula and try something new in each new installment

Except if sales begin to suffer and reviews turn bad, id Software & Bethesda will pay for it by taking a financial loss. So if that happens, it actually will be their fault, and it's too early to say anything at this point.

It's like when a band experiments with a new sound and people don't like it. That album becomes a black sheep and people pretend it doesn't exist, and the band suffers for producing it financially because few people buy it and they still have to pay the recording studio (in id Software's case: the employees who made the game, any advertising platforms they paid to promote the game, etc).

I mean seriously, Microsoft laid off most of the employees at 343 industries for their "failures" with Halo that were definitely their fault that people didn't like the games, and basically re-branded. Replace Microsoft with Bethesda (so, still Microsoft since they own Bethesda), 343 with id Software, and Halo with Doom, and you might have a similar situation.

Also don't say that'll never happen to id Software & DOOM. Halo fans probably said what happened to Halo would never happen to Halo. If Dark Ages doesn't meet Microsoft's projected sales, they're going to blame both Bethesda and id regardless of whose fault it is.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by TheAlmightySunBro, Silkaire:

I don’t get all this hate for Dark Ages. Yes Eternals better, but it’s very close imo.

TLDR:
TDA is not agile, dont have good weapons and is focused on a gimmick of DOOM Eternal (The Marauder)

Listed version:
- Marauder is gimmick gameplay to break combat flow
- The Dark Ages is basically Marauder gameplay but being other demons instead of the Marauder
- TDA is also slower paced and weapons are not as good where the shield is the core of the gameplay

Detailed version:
- All this hate is basically people that hate the Marauder or dont like the Marauder because of its gameplay (not because it is hard, it is just boring and dont fit along with run&gun and the Marauder is "run&wait for green light" and was put there as a combat pace breaker, but now it is the core of the gameplay in TDA), because the weapons are not as good and the focus on the shield mechanic (that, yet again, should be a gimmick or "side mechanic to help the weapons" like the chainsaw) but now TDA is "parry focused" (what, again, is not a hard thing to pull off, it is just boring and not a run&gun mechanic or a "jump&gun" where at Eternal you can keep yourself midair for so long it becomes fly&gun)

[virtualmatrix258]

imo it didn't "suck" but it just didn't stack up against Eternal. It's a good game, fun and challenging but like someone else said over there in their discussion, it felt more like Serious Sam than Doom.

[Grampire]

Originally posted by ₮Ɇ₳Ɽ:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

God forbid they took the gimmick from DE that served as combat pace breaker and do a whole game around it while also being slower and focused on the shield (another thing that should never belong in a DOOM game).
God forbid indeed, call that game anything else but DOOM and people would not go at it expecting DOOM gameplay to then be disappointed.

Yap yap yap

Doom Dark Ages is just as worthy of the title of being called Doom as Eternal

Not their fault you hate the fact they reinvent the formula and try something new in each new installment

Correct.

TDA is a Doom game and the notion that there is or ever has been a "correct" way to make a Doom game is actually the only thing being considered here thats "not Doom."

Mechanically Doom can be almost anything at this point. That's how it should be.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by Grampire:

Originally posted by ₮Ɇ₳Ɽ:

Yap yap yap

Doom Dark Ages is just as worthy of the title of being called Doom as Eternal

Not their fault you hate the fact they reinvent the formula and try something new in each new installment

Correct.

TDA is a Doom game and the notion that there is or ever has been a "correct" way to make a Doom game is actually the only thing being considered here thats "not Doom."

Mechanically Doom can be almost anything at this point. That's how it should be.

Put demons in it, a character named Doomguy or not even named, slap DOOM as title of the game and "wee, DOOM" no matter if it plays like Battlefield, CoD or even like Demon Souls or whatever?

It can work for anyoe that just want anything tagged as DOOM, dont work for someone that played "run&gun without restrictions". Even DOOM 3 that is slow and dont feature Doomguy is more of a DOOM game by its gameplay than Marauder the Dark Ages.

[max]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Put demons in it, a character named Doomguy or not even named, slap DOOM as title of the game and "wee, DOOM" no matter if it plays like Battlefield, CoD or even like Demon Souls or whatever?

It can work for anyoe that just want anything tagged as DOOM, dont work for someone that played "run&gun without restrictions". Even DOOM 3 that is slow and dont feature Doomguy is more of a DOOM game by its gameplay than Marauder the Dark Ages.

Getting a doom game you don't like or didn't want, doesn't mean it's not a doom game.

[EF_Neo1st]

Originally posted by max:

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Put demons in it, a character named Doomguy or not even named, slap DOOM as title of the game and "wee, DOOM" no matter if it plays like Battlefield, CoD or even like Demon Souls or whatever?

It can work for anyoe that just want anything tagged as DOOM, dont work for someone that played "run&gun without restrictions". Even DOOM 3 that is slow and dont feature Doomguy is more of a DOOM game by its gameplay than Marauder the Dark Ages.

Getting a doom game you don't like or didn't want, doesn't mean it's not a doom game.

Ok, if they ever decide to do Call of DOOMty a real thing (and it almost happened with DOOM 2016) you call that thing DOOM, ok?

They can name it whatever they want, if it dont play like DOOM it is not DOOM to me.

[max]

Originally posted by EF_Neo1st:

Ok, if they ever decide to do Call of DOOMty a real thing (and it almost happened with DOOM 2016) you call that thing DOOM, ok?

They can name it whatever they want, if it dont play like DOOM it is not DOOM to me.

That's the thing, it's not me who will get to call it doom or not doom, it's id.
If they will make doom like call of duty, will I like it? Can't say for sure, but probably no. And it will still be a doom game as long as it's made by id, they call it doom and in it you kill demons.

What doom game plays like original doom, except for doom 2? None. They are all different. And I consider it much better than them copy pasting the same game over and over again.