What are the most annoying or tricky demons for you?

[harbinger]

There are demons that are really annoying. Not that I don't like them, but they can be tricky or unexpectedly dangerous.

Here's my list

- Carcasses (they can really block your flow and are often the reason why you get caged - I try to kill them as fast as possible)
- Soldiers with shield (these can take like 3 shots to get killed, even using the ballista or plasma gun, but you can't stop to just hit them in nightmare, because you die, so the best way is to avoid them or ocasionally shoot them until you have the time to take them off properly)
- Cyber-Mancubus (these are actually big, so one would expect them to be as dangerous, as they seem, but their hazards can hit you unexpectedly and you can quickly run out of life)

You cannot say the Marauder, the Doom Hunter, Archvile, or the Tyrant. These are not expected to be easy. Not more than 3, otherwise, we can just list all demons :D

[Sar]

I think you can one-shot Shield Dudes with PB if you aim at their exposed side, but it’s tricky. I typically spam stickies, use them as meathook points or, if one surprises me around a corner, chainsaw them.

[harbinger]

Ok, but this does not answer the question :D

[Sar]

I mean I dunno, I love Carcasses who are typically considered to be most annoying. I guess Blood Maykrs command a lot of attention and are very hard to ignore, but I feel like it’s a skill issue on my part. For every headshot on them I miss two.

[RJX3029]

Those ones that poison you those are pretty annoying. And maybe a spirit possessed pinky one of those trolled me till I died trying to punch it it was almost funny.

[AusarTheVile]

got to be the pain elementals for me

[Furious Fap]

Originally posted by Sar:

I mean I dunno, I love Carcasses who are typically considered to be most annoying. I guess Blood Maykrs command a lot of attention and are very hard to ignore, but I feel like it’s a skill issue on my part. For every headshot on them I miss two.

Try meathooking straight at the blood maykr and firing a PB or the ballista without adjusting your crosshair, should guarantee a headshot. You could also microwave beam them when they are charging up to interrupt their attack and falter them long enough that you should be able to get a headshot. I agree that the blood maykr is one of the most annoying enemies, just sharing some methods that can make them a bit less annoying

[Furious Fap]

Originally posted by AusarTheVile:

got to be the pain elementals for me

I think they're up there for me too.
Like every demon there are several good ways to kill them quickly and efficiently, but god help you if you let them live too long or forget about one.

They are annoying decent at dodging arbalest, can dash a surprising distance, tanky enough that you gotta focus on them for at least a couple seconds to take them out, can block shots with lost souls and you can waste lock on burst on them too. they have a powerful ranged attack (80 DMG on nightmare) with very fast-flying, guided projectiles and will melt your health quickly if you let em. They leave proximity lost souls around that explode for 100 DMG on nightmare, and they actually have a very devastating, pretty fast melee attack (130 DMG per hit) that also knocks you back. You normally won't get hit by the melee but they can dash to you in midair and juggle you for 2-3 hits sometimes!

They also seem like they deliberately try to get directly above you if you're on the ground, where you can't see them without looking directly up and thus ignoring your immediate surroundings. Them being right above your head also blocks you from getting up into the air.

I think they are a well designed enemy, though. they are supposed to be a PAIN

[Jordan_Peterson]

I love the thread names here.
It's all about what is the most annoying or what would you change if you could!
Tells you a lot.
Every enemy in DE that has a mechanic has a very very stiff one.
That's why my pick here would be "Turret".
Nothing screems more Doom Eternal game design mentality more than this enemy.
"Waiting for the enemy to be vulnerable and then shoot it."

[RJX3029]

The #1 most annoying enemy is the trolls in the forum

[Joker]

spirits. bullet sponges are not good game design.

[Sar]

I think bullet sponges are extremely good if they’re used sparingly.

When every enemy is a sponge, guns feel weak. When a big tough enemy is a bullet sponge, that is expected. When a once-per-level big and tough blue glowing Baron of Hell is a bullet sponge, it’s okay because he is the boss of this gym.

[Joker]

the only good bullet sponge is a dead bullet sponge. that means not being in the game at all. no blue glowing spirit possessed baron of hell is good because its already tanky enough as is, it doesnt need any more EHP. its not fun when my most effective weapon against it is the micro missiles mod for the heavy cannon. and even then, it barely does any damage. removing the damage resistances and being able to kill the spirits by using regular fire with the plasma rifle would make it much, much, much better.

let the demon be able to 1 shot me if thats the trade thats needed. i'd much rather have that than increased EHP

[Sar]

The regular Barons are costly, but trivial to nuke. Dump Lock-On into them and they melt, SSG+PB if you’re a pro. MMS aren’t the only way to strongly damage spirits, Lock-On is still good. They’re a game changer and they really force you to move.

As for monsters one-shotting you, I’ve almost finished Turbo Overkill recently and it’s a very fun game, but I dunno how to feel about the abundance of OHKs on max difficulty. I understand it’s not supposed to be fair so I don’t complain, and the loading is very fast, but I think I prefer the pace of Eternal where some enemies can take a beating but so can Slayer.

[Joker]

the problem is that it doesnt make encounters more difficult, only take more time. i'd rather possessed demons be 200% times faster and kill you with 1 shot rather than dumping all my ammo just to kill them

what the ♥♥♥♥ is Turbo Overkill?

[Sar]

Really? You’re probably a better player than me. For me it very obviously did make the encounters harder. I needed over 30 attempts to pass the possessed Baron trial in TAG1 on Nightmare.

Turbo Overkill is a DE-inspired retro FPS with a cyberpunk theme. It has pretty fun movement and a chainsaw leg slide attack.