Is Doom Hunter an homage to Sabaoth (Sarge) from Doom 3?

[Bullett00th]

This just hit me.

They both have a similar design with the flesh torso on a mechanical tank chassis.
May be simply a coincidence but if not - that's awesome.

I remember being hyped and even slightly terrified in anticipation if that bossfight.
'Sarge is waiting'.

And then Sarge is a laughably easy and a shallow bossfight. I feel like Doom Hunter is that fight but done right.

[Dragova]

Happens when you're trying to balance technology. Doom 3's whole mission was the new lighting system that brought the most common GPUs of 2004 to their knees. It took 2 to 4 more years before mid range could run that game flawlessly. So with that factored in, AI and enemy fights were limited by Carmack's approach to sell to investors. You got people nowdays who can do both technology and gamemechanics at the same time with insane budgets now.

Don't be too surprised they recycle design concepts that are pretty common.

[E3kHatena]

I'm pretty sure Martin confirmed this was the case somewhere. At the very least, DE takes from all manners of obscure Doom lore in other places (Doomslayer's past references the comic book, the Unmaker from D64 appears, etc.) so repurposing the idea of the Sabaoth isn't too far-fetched.

[Thumper]

My memory must really be failing. I do not remember Sabaoth.

[ninstar]

Originally posted by Thumper:

My memory must really be failing. I do not remember Sabaoth.

Sabaoth was Sergeant Kelly's torso mounted on top of a minitank.

[Thumper]

Oh, thats right, I forgot all bout him. When you said that, I remembered the fight. I'll bet if I go back and play it again I'd remember alot more. But thats way too far back.

Thx for the memory

[Bullett00th]

Originally posted by Dragova:

So with that factored in, AI and enemy fights were limited by Carmack's approach to sell to investors.

Honestly, I don't mind at all.
Doom 3 gets a lot of flak for focusing on tech over gameplay, while Half-Life 2 severely underdelivered in the AI department. Combine weren't (still aren't) even half as smart as early E3 demos, and I'd say even dumber than HL1 marines.

Physics gameplay and the pure feeling of a varied exciting adventure drives HL2, but to me Doom 3 is also a great example of one hell of an adventure.

Originally posted by E3kHatena:

I'm pretty sure Martin confirmed this was the case somewhere. At the very least, DE takes from all manners of obscure Doom lore in other places (Doomslayer's past references the comic book, the Unmaker from D64 appears, etc.) so repurposing the idea of the Sabaoth isn't too far-fetched.

Guess so. I love how Eternal is a love letter to pretty much all prior Doom games.

Originally posted by Thumper:

Oh, thats right, I forgot all bout him. When you said that, I remembered the fight. I'll bet if I go back and play it again I'd remember alot more. But thats way too far back.

Thx for the memory

You can still refresher that memory today. Doom 3 still looks fantastic with mods (apart from human character models, but there aren't that many), and if you treat it like Half-Life 1 with demons, you're in for one hell of a ride.

[Thumper]

@ Bullet00th, perhaps, but at this point in time Eternal has a firm grip. I may not play like I did all those yrs back (age has a way of going that) I tend to play a game to death and once replaced I can never go back. If I tried to go back and play Doom 16, I'd get as far as the 1st level and I'd be bored and I put some 2000+ hrs into that. No telling where Eternal will take me.

[Cuzzmotion]

Mmm... maybe..., i mean the half robot, and half flesh part can be the reference specially that torso or tube part where it connects the body with the robotic hoverboard. after that yeah most of the design is actually more similar to a necron destroyer from warhammer 40k.

also if you look to old concepts theres one were the doom hunter is actually has a tank body and a big missile launcher like sabaoth and his BFG

[lol no]

Considering the 3 seconds of Mick's Arrival on Mars playing just before Deag Ranak's speach, I'm pretty sure that it is an intentional reference.

[Bullett00th]

Originally posted by lol no:

Considering the 3 seconds of Mick's Arrival on Mars playing just before Deag Ranak's speach, I'm pretty sure that it is an intentional reference.

What exactly are you referring to?
Can't hear it, if I'm looking at the correct footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox9djh6D1R0

[lol no]

Originally posted by Bullett00th:

Originally posted by lol no:

Considering the 3 seconds of Mick's Arrival on Mars playing just before Deag Ranak's speach, I'm pretty sure that it is an intentional reference.

What exactly are you referring to?
Can't hear it, if I'm looking at the correct footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox9djh6D1R0

There's no music in that footage, so you can't hear it there.

[InmaDjinn Samalik]

really? I remember Doom Hunters being in Doom 2, though they were on tanks. They only appeared in 2 levels tho

[Bullett00th]

Originally posted by Samalik:

really? I remember Doom Hunters being in Doom 2, though they were on tanks. They only appeared in 2 levels tho

What are you talking about? Where?

[InmaDjinn Samalik]

Originally posted by Bullett00th:

Originally posted by Samalik:

really? I remember Doom Hunters being in Doom 2, though they were on tanks. They only appeared in 2 levels tho

What are you talking about? Where?

i think in the gauntlet level. they are extremely rare in the game

! played via BFG edition

[lol no]

Originally posted by Samalik:

Originally posted by Bullett00th:

What are you talking about? Where?

i think in the gauntlet level. they are extremely rare in the game

! played via BFG edition

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