Show me the skills without using the ballista boost

[harbinger]

For all Battlemode 2.0 players, if you're really skilled, I challenge you to never use the ballista boost or any other trick that is not part of the taught techniques and that gives you a clear advantage over other players (you know this very well). If you're coward, you will keep exploiting this. If you're really skilled, you will show me that you can win against me and other good and honest players without the ballista boost and other tricks.

[harbinger]

My posts are useless because I am literally talking to walls and people that don't even play the game anymore or even regularly and maybe have no idea of what I am talking about.

[Joker]

imma ask again: would you be ok with ballista boosting in multiplayer if there was a dedicated tutorial on how it worked?

[Grampire]

Originally posted by o_dey:

Somebody must arrest this man, he can't keep getting away with it❕

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcd2ML-yeH0

OMG Doomslayer can finally get to Neverland!

Originally posted by Show skill w/out ballista boost:

My posts are useless because I am literally talking to walls and people that don't even play the game anymore or even regularly and maybe have no idea of what I am talking about.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I mean this really is adorable.

[Ace]

Originally posted by Show skill w/out ballista boost:

It's part of the game, but this was probably not intentional. Again, if it was, why not make it part of the taught techniques, like everything else?

If this issue was ever reported to the developers, it probably had low priority because

1. not many people reported it (because they stopped playing after 2 games, which is normal, because you get discouraged when you play against someone that uses it) and

2. it would probably take quite some effort and so money to change this behaviour.

They didn't care about fixing smaller bugs (or even give proper respect to Mick Gordon, for example), while would they care about this?

Now, I've followed the Hugo Martin playthrough of Doom Eternal and he never used this trick or mentioned it, as far as I remember. It's very possible that they were not aware of it.

People have known about it since 2016, the devs also knew & decided to keep it in.

Hugo also plays eternal on console & ballista boosting is harder to do there.

[Kyller92 AKA Cinos]

This is becoming sad

[Schum]

now that i think about it. if ballista boosting really is a “no skill” thing, would you consider mindlessly holding m1 on ballista all game to be “more skillful”? also if we have no skill for ballista boosting then why do you keep lobby dodging me and my friends?

[Alby]

Not a lot of people know this because 2016 multiplayer has always been unpopular, but 2016 actually had a separate version of the gauss cannon that disabled ballista boosting compared to it's campaign counterpart. There's no reason they couldn't use that code again in Eternal to do the same thing in Battlemode without affecting campaign.

So yeah given that they've removed gauss boosting in 2016, they could do it again in Eternal , and I'm pretty sure they're keeping it on purpose because they're okay with it and not because they're too lazy to remove it.

[Schum]

Originally posted by Show skill w/out ballista boost:

My posts are useless because I am literally talking to walls and people that don't even play the game anymore or even regularly and maybe have no idea of what I am talking about.

you don't say

[harbinger]

I don't think I've ever seen you guys play as a demon or if you did maybe you never faced someone that is continuously ballista boosting, so you can't understand my post and so you can't even understand how much it gives you an advantage and how much it breaks the game balance.

You talk because you love that ballista boost and you know how bad you may become if you don't use it.

I've literally played along the best demons (and I am decent myself now) and they can't do almost anything against crazy ballista boosters, like some of you. If you use ballista boosting, the game is highly unbalanced, and you're happy with it, because it's unbalanced but in your favour. Some of you use 2 boosts and are on the other side of the arena immediately. There's no way to escape. It's impossible to play like that. So, sure, I will dodge any known crazy ballista booster, i.e. someone that keeps using it.

Also note that Id Sofware removed the support for Doom Eternal a long time ago and DE uses a different engine than Doom 2016.

[Joker]

ive played against plenty mfkers who could ballista boost. why dont you play some of us forum regulars, you're the slayer we're the demons. let's see how OP that ballista boosting is in practice.

this 'bug' or whatever became a feature a long time ago. just like how the bug with the marauder's wolf spawning was kept in the game after the community voted for it to stay.

would you be okay with ballista boosting as the slayer if the game gave a dedicated tutorial on how to do it? you still haven't answered me.

[AT]

Originally posted by Show skill w/out ballista boost:

I've literally played along the best demons (and I am decent myself now) and they can't do almost anything against crazy ballista boosters

Don't duck anyone and give it a month or two. And make sure you look at your own play critically - don't back-dash as a meatball for instance, always diagonals.

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It has been a while since I played demon but there were games with and against the kind of grinders who post youtube videos of no-UI nightmare runs and private battlemode matches that make the old friday night fights look slow.

And i've seen those grinder demons get killed 20 seconds into the round by comparable slayers and ultimately pull out a win in tightly contested games.

Ballista boosting is just a basic movement tech long before you hit that level, it's not going to win you anything in of itself.

[The Chessotron]

Originally posted by Show skill w/out ballista boost:

I don't think I've ever seen you guys play as a demon or if you did maybe you never faced someone that is continuously ballista boosting, so you can't understand my post and so you can't even understand how much it gives you an advantage and how much it breaks the game balance.

You talk because you love that ballista boost and you know how bad you may become if you don't use it.

I've literally played along the best demons (and I am decent myself now) and they can't do almost anything against crazy ballista boosters, like some of you. If you use ballista boosting, the game is highly unbalanced, and you're happy with it, because it's unbalanced but in your favour. Some of you use 2 boosts and are on the other side of the arena immediately. There's no way to escape. It's impossible to play like that. So, sure, I will dodge any known crazy ballista booster, i.e. someone that keeps using it.

Also note that Id Sofware removed the support for Doom Eternal a long time ago and DE uses a different engine than Doom 2016.

No you haven't. The "Best demons" do not, and will not ever play pubs unless someone's streaming. We exclusively play private, modded matches due to the overwhelming amount of content and changes it adds. I am the longest standing demon main in the game objectively, fullstop. I've played for 4 years, learned the ins and outs of the game, I balance for the Battlemode 3.0 mod, and not once, across the entire spectrum of top level players has the notion of ballista boosting being overpowered EVER been brought up.

The game has ♥♥♥♥ tier balance because half the demons are completely nonviable and the rest require hours upon hours of practice with a teammate to be anything more then fodder with. Ballista boost plays as much of a role in the slayer victory as quickswapping or single dashing does, it's literal barebones tech. The reason WHY Battlemode 2.0 is a nightmare of balance is do to a fundamental issue with the demon design philosophy. Though you would've known that if you actually bothered to read the last time I typed something longwinded to you.

If you really think there's "no way to escape" Ballista boosting then I can only assume that you've literally never considered the act of using vertical movement, or gamesense, for that matter.

At this point, I'm genuinely intrigued, I need to see your demon gameplay, record some pubs next time you're in em and send them here.

[Joker]

Originally posted by AT:

Originally posted by Show skill w/out ballista boost:

I've literally played along the best demons (and I am decent myself now) and they can't do almost anything against crazy ballista boosters

Don't duck anyone and give it a month or two. And make sure you look at your own play critically - don't back-dash as a meatball for instance, always diagonals.

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It has been a while since I played demon but there were games with and against the kind of grinders who post youtube videos of no-UI nightmare runs and private battlemode matches that make the old friday night fights look slow.

And i've seen those grinder demons get killed 20 seconds into the round by comparable slayers and ultimately pull out a win in tightly contested games.

Ballista boosting is just a basic movement tech long before you hit that level, it's not going to win you anything in of itself.

i wonder how many games OP has won that were against ballista boosting slayers

[harbinger]

You assume the best demons don't play normal Battlemode 2.0 games, but this assumption is based only on your opinion. It makes no sense because mods change the game and it's a new game.

Have you ever played the actual normal game? I've never seen you in one year (I don't recognize your nickname), but I assume you did before I came along. If you're so good, come and play the normal game and show me you're actually that good. Otherwise, feel free to stay in the mod world, but don't come and talk about the normal game when you only play with mods, because you don't know what you're talking about. I couldn't care less about mods. I will never use them.

[VouZ_nel]

Since you have no Air Control rune in Battlemode, the movement sucks ass, without ballista boosting it's hard to even do anything