Will DOOM Dark Ages have mod support?

[Tazor]

Yeah, it looks cool and all that. Eternal was a lot of fun. But after 4 playthroughs I feel like I squeezed everything out of it. There is no longevity. No reason to spend more than a few euros on it.

I'm still playing the original DOOM. So many mods. So many custom campaigns. So many still being made and constantly updated.

The original DOOM is infinite. Eternal is not infinite.

[NTony]

that's because the technology isn't here yet to support ideas such as creating levels for something as technologically bombastic as DOOM Eternal. Not even DOOM 2016's snapmap could take it. Something like brutal doom came out like 20 years after the og doom's launch. There are already enough mods for Eternal that change up and spice up every single level.

[Tazor]

Originally posted by NTony #FixTF2:

that's because the technology isn't here yet to support ideas such as creating levels for something as technologically bombastic as DOOM Eternal. Not even DOOM 2016's snapmap could take it. Something like brutal doom came out like 20 years after the og doom's launch. There are already enough mods for Eternal that change up and spice up every single level.

There are big Eternal mods? Where? And what are they called?

I'm looking on Nexus. All I can find are skin swaps, gibs_stay 1, FOV mod. Nothing big.

[NTony]

Originally posted by Tazor:

Originally posted by NTony #FixTF2:

that's because the technology isn't here yet to support ideas such as creating levels for something as technologically bombastic as DOOM Eternal. Not even DOOM 2016's snapmap could take it. Something like brutal doom came out like 20 years after the og doom's launch. There are already enough mods for Eternal that change up and spice up every single level.

There are big Eternal mods? Where? And what are they called?

I'm looking on Nexus. All I can find are skin swaps, gibs_stay 1, FOV mod. Nothing big.

Nexus has level changers too, A fanmade horde mode too. There's the official doom2016+eternal modding discord that adds EVEN more than there already are on Nexus. Stuff like Enemy randomizer and various different master levels are mods that keep the experience fresh.

[harbinger]

The original Doom as well as Doom 2 sucks. Don't come with the b*llshit and tell me it's a good game. Btw, I'm a Doom series fan, but I am realistic. The original Dooms simply suck. They are infinitely bad now.

[NTony]

Originally posted by harbinger:

The original Doom as well as Doom 2 sucks. Don't come with the b*llshit and tell me it's a good game. Btw, I'm a Doom series fan, but I am realistic. The original Dooms simply suck. They are infinitely bad now.

based reply, based response, based opinion. +New DOOM better definitely imo.

[VouZ_nel]

Originally posted by Tazor:

Originally posted by NTony #FixTF2:

that's because the technology isn't here yet to support ideas such as creating levels for something as technologically bombastic as DOOM Eternal. Not even DOOM 2016's snapmap could take it. Something like brutal doom came out like 20 years after the og doom's launch. There are already enough mods for Eternal that change up and spice up every single level.

There are big Eternal mods? Where? And what are they called?

I'm looking on Nexus. All I can find are skin swaps, gibs_stay 1, FOV mod. Nothing big.

there are at least 25 custom master levels + like 15 slaughter maps on Battlemode arenas
yeah, you're still playing the same levels, but they're changed so much it's almost like a new game at this point

[D.T.]

Originally posted by Ronin_019:

Originally posted by harbinger:

The original Doom as well as Doom 2 sucks. Don't come with the b*llshit and tell me it's a good game. Btw, I'm a Doom series fan, but I am realistic. The original Dooms simply suck. They are infinitely bad now.

oh let me guess you think games get old rite?

I wonder if I paint my face like theirs and say these kind of things on a regular basis, if they'll let me join their circus?

I mean...there are more mods for DOOM 1 and 2 than any other game in the world by far. Always the same story though. "I don't like it and can't understand how someone else does"

[Atom's Tired]

Originally posted by harbinger:

The original Doom as well as Doom 2 sucks. Don't come with the b*llshit and tell me it's a good game. Btw, I'm a Doom series fan, but I am realistic. The original Dooms simply suck. They are infinitely bad now.

Personally, I do not agree; some levels might have aged badly, but it still is one of the best FPS ever made. Combat, music, level design (for the most part), enemy design, is just pure perfection.



You can't make the argument that I am seeing the game through rose-colored glasses, since I played the original Dooms 2 years ago.

(Please be respectful when debating.)

[harbinger]

Their gameplay is so annoying. It looks like you're floating on the sea instead of walking. There's no 3D. I cannot hate those levels more. You just wander around randomly until it gets on your nerves and you quit. How is this even a decent game? It only somehow interesting demons and weapons. Apart from that, everything is really bad in Doom 1 and 2. All other Doom games are way better than those really bad ones. I don't give a damn if they are big milestones in the FPS genre and I admit they deserve respect for that, but they actually suck. It's the objective reality.

[Tazor]

Originally posted by harbinger:

Their gameplay is so annoying. It looks like you're floating on the sea instead of walking. There's no 3D. I cannot hate those levels more. You just wander around randomly until it gets on your nerves and you quit. How is this even a decent game? It only somehow interesting demons and weapons. Apart from that, everything is really bad in Doom 1 and 2. All other Doom games are way better than those really bad ones. I don't give a damn if they are big milestones in the FPS genre and I admit they deserve respect for that, but they actually suck. It's the objective reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7IITZDBvqE

This is DOOM. Just so you know. This is how big and crazy some of the mods can get. We have reached the point of apotheosis where pretty much anything is possible in DOOM. It can be a survival horror. It can be a post apocalyptic RPG. It can be a world war 2 shooter.

Don't forget about the countless custom made campaigns. Extermination Day and Lost Civilization were awesome. Eternal doesn't even have a proper level editor.

I guess the only thing you saw is the original in 640x480.

[Sar]

Total Chaos is a GZDoom based game and GZDoom is basically its own engine now.

[spearten.com]

Only if they have a way for their tech to be used that way. Licensing is a pain and some tools are not allowed for our usage. Though it would be nice to have a mod maker, or at least a map editor (snapmap does not count).

[Cergorach]

Doom #1 is from 1993, showing a mod from 2018 isn't exactly... A good example... Not to mention that the Doom source code was released and even under GPL in 1999...

And is there 'official' mod support for Doom 1993, as I don't see Steam Workshop integration for the version of Doom 1993 on Steam...

But even without that 'official' mod support, there are mods, even for Doom Eternal...

[Herobrine]

Originally posted by Tazor:

Originally posted by NTony #FixTF2:

that's because the technology isn't here yet to support ideas such as creating levels for something as technologically bombastic as DOOM Eternal. Not even DOOM 2016's snapmap could take it. Something like brutal doom came out like 20 years after the og doom's launch. There are already enough mods for Eternal that change up and spice up every single level.

There are big Eternal mods? Where? And what are they called?

I'm looking on Nexus. All I can find are skin swaps, gibs_stay 1, FOV mod. Nothing big.

90% of eternal mods are on game banana or the modding discord. Nexus isn't the right place to look for Eternal.

[Grampire]

Originally posted by harbinger:

Their gameplay is so annoying. It looks like you're floating on the sea instead of walking. There's no 3D. I cannot hate those levels more. You just wander around randomly until it gets on your nerves and you quit. How is this even a decent game? It only somehow interesting demons and weapons. Apart from that, everything is really bad in Doom 1 and 2. All other Doom games are way better than those really bad ones. I don't give a damn if they are big milestones in the FPS genre and I admit they deserve respect for that, but they actually suck. It's the objective reality.

I don't think its even remotely fair to state that they "objectively" suck. On their own merits and in a time vaccuum they're still great games that deserve to be played and appreciated today.

They are simple games compared to what we get today. That said, the people who made them put a lot of thought and effort into building Doom1/Doom2 that enhanced their look and feel to a level that's somewhat timeless. The sound and rhythm of the weapons, movement, how demons look and feel. They feel "simple" and streamlined - even familiar - because id went the extra mile designing them.

It has aged much better than games like them have any right to, and it's because people put so much work into the design. The fact people are still creating for these games today is simply incredible.