Doom Eternal sucks

[niccoula]

I have loved every single Doom so far. Eternal is excessively irritating.
I really enjoyed it at the beginning, but after a while, like an hour or two, I started to get a strange feeling. Something like playing the game was a chore.
I kept playing for a while until I couldn't take it anymore. The ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ platforming.
I can't stand it. I want to play a badass FPS, like Doom always was. Not a stupid platformer. If I wanted this kind of gameplay I would have downloaded Tomb Raider, Assassins Creed or something similar. I bought Doom: I want to shoot, dodge and kill, not jump and run.
Let me point, shoot, and be a badass.
This game is annoying and feels like a chore. Too bad

[Jordan_Peterson]

Escrito originalmente por niccoula:

Escrito originalmente por 🎓DI Critical Rebecca:

You find the platforming annoying? Wait until you try to beat this game on its highest or second highest difficulty and master the gameplay loop. ;)

Oh don´t worry, it won´t happen. Already uninstalled. Pity I can´t ask for a refund anymore

Yeah I know what you mean.

[SuperFly]

Escrito originalmente por BoraY:

dude...
you get the flamethrower at the end of the first level, did you really that exhausted in the first level? I will be honest with you, first two levels sucks; they are boring and the second level is filled with unfun fights and annoyingly long platforming sections.
The game starts after you receive the Super Shotgun. I dont think its a good thing to judge a book by its first pages...

In a motion picture, the film has 15 minutes to grab the audience, or it's curtains.
That's tantamount to the first level or two of a videogame, or chapters in a book.
without an opener, a piece of entertainment will fizzle and die.

Escrito originalmente por niccoula:

Yes, I was completely overwhelmed and nervous, which I tend to avoid when I want to play something. I felt like I was working, when all I wanted to do was relax, aim and shoot as stupidly as possible, like Doom should be.
If I wanted a 3D platformer I would have played Mirror's Edge, if I wanted only a few bullets I would have played Resident Evil.
But I had to deal with so much crap and I simply didn't want to play anymore, I was completely annoyed. It doesn't matter if it was the first two levels: they sucked.
Thank you very much for your suggestions :)

The only thing that kept me going past the opening room was, admittedly a try-hard attitude -- but that was only there because it was supposed to be the new DOOM game, so I felt it deserved my due diligence in experiencing what was there.
That's kind of the niche market the game is geared towards... folks looking to sink time into replaying "DOOM Souls" for bragging rights in a dwindling crowd.
A bad move for the premiere AAA FPS franchise to make.

Playing this game was work the entire time, and only after the first 20 hours did that slog even begin to pay off.
As a casual player, or with a similar gameplay experience in another franchise -- I definitely would not have bothered.
DOOM:Eternal only kept my attention long enough to "learn the loop" because of its pedigree, and that it offered the options to homage the classic titles in the skins/avatar.

[ktulu84]

Escrito originalmente por SuperFly:

Escrito originalmente por BoraY:

dude...
you get the flamethrower at the end of the first level, did you really that exhausted in the first level? I will be honest with you, first two levels sucks; they are boring and the second level is filled with unfun fights and annoyingly long platforming sections.
The game starts after you receive the Super Shotgun. I dont think its a good thing to judge a book by its first pages...

In a motion picture, the film has 15 minutes to grab the audience, or it's curtains.
That's tantamount to the first level or two of a videogame, or chapters in a book.
without an opener, a piece of entertainment will fizzle and die.

k

[SuperFly]

Escrito originalmente por SuperFly:

In a motion picture, the film has 15 minutes to grab the audience, or it's curtains...

Escrito originalmente por BoraY:

k

Good talk.
It's surprising that Hugo Martin, coming from Hollywood, didn't realize and adhere to this reality of employing a strong open. Maybe he thought he was more creative and 'above the formula' that works for DOOM? He definitely spoke about that exact approach with DOOM2016 -- so it's kind of mysterious why that ethos was abandoned when he took full charge for D:E.
All we know for sure is that he didn't do much work in Tinsel Town, except sketching some robots for 'Pacific Rim'.

[Sgt. Flaw]

My criticisms of the game is the secret areas...it's wtvr, but they shouldn't have combined a game based solely on adrenaline and skill with tediously hidden collectibles. I either wanna do one or the other....Doom Eternal had me running to the next battle because I wanted to shoot ♥♥♥♥...I really disliked having to look for breakable walls and what not to improve my character to lighten the load going further....Like I literally just wanted to fight and get better.

Its wtvr...Im on Icon of Sin and didn't unlock the missile mod for the cannon...guess I'll go back and find one because the videos seem to show that is literally the best weapon to do damage to him....

I also may just keep my game-play style and fight him with what I got tho...it was tough, but I literally didn't do any exploring to level up besides a few slayer gates and using whatever came up on the fastest path to the end. It just pumps the adrenaline way to much to want to tediously search through a level.

The platforming really is helping with the fights tho...it does teach you to use your surroundings to traverse around a battlefield. I was irritated when some of the platforming was easy and mundane and some of the answers to some of the puzzles were again, tedious, while my blood was pumping from just finishing a tough fight.

But I liked the game...It really is a breath of fresh air to have a game run at a respectable FPS and have a high enough difficulty ceiling as nightmare mode and master levels. It's a game...and criticisms besides technical hiccups(which there are few) are moot when it simply sold well and was critically acclaimed.

[Grampire]

Escrito originalmente por niccoula:

Escrito originalmente por BoraY:

dude...

you get the flamethrower at the end of the first level, did you really that exhausted in the first level? I will be honest with you, first two levels sucks; they are boring and the second level is filled with unfun fights and annoyingly long platforming sections.

The game starts after you receive the Super Shotgun. I dont think its a good thing to judge a book by its first pages. I can still recommend games like Dusk, Ultrakill, Postal Brain Damaged if you want similar and arguably better games

Yes, I was completely overwhelmed and nervous, which I tend to avoid when I want to play something. I felt like I was working, when all I wanted to do was relax, aim and shoot as stupidly as possible, like Doom should be.
If I wanted a 3D platformer I would have played Mirror's Edge, if I wanted only a few bullets I would have played Resident Evil.
But I had to deal with so much crap and I simply didn't want to play anymore, I was completely annoyed. It doesn't matter if it was the first two levels: they sucked.
Thank you very much for your suggestions :)

Best of luck on your next title. I personally am chilling with Horizon: Zero Dawn at the moment but I'm not playing games much anymore.

Eternal isn't for everyone and you gave it a shot - that's fair enough in my book.

[Knud den Store 🧙‍♂]

Escrito originalmente por SuperFly:

Escrito originalmente por niccoula:

Right. I didn´t want to start about the micro-management, as I thought maybe it could get better in the future (through upgrades). Didn´t like the constant feeling of not having enough resources. Doom =/ Resident Evil

DOOM has always been "easy-to-play/hard-to-master".
That approachability is a staple of the franchise.

Sadly, this game is the inverse of that.

The game starts you with one weapon and it gradually ads more and there is like 5 difficulty levels.

How is the inverse?

You really do suck at the game.

[Knud den Store 🧙‍♂]

Escrito originalmente por niccoula:

Escrito originalmente por BoraY:

Before superfly and ace comes here and turns this thread into a megathreaad, I want to ask


which part of the game you stopped?

I don´t remember much, pretty forgettable if you ask, I think 4 hours of playtime. I had to jump and dash many times, grab a lot of poles and climb many walls. Once finished I received the flame and asked myself: Do I really need another feature? Shortly after I was confronted with another platforming section. That was too much.
I simply didn´t want to play anymore. It felt unfunny and extremely forced.

Sounds like you barely even got to Cultists Base.
Well you are PAST the refund point according to Steam.

Make it to Super Gore Nest, you will change your mind.

Edit:
I read your review, you really did not make it past Cultists base which is a combat heavy level.
Okay you got one more platforming heavy level left called Doom Hunter Base but if you make it to the end you will come to understand why the game is making you literally jump through hoops.

It is like a Mr Miyagi kind of thing.
Wax on, Wax off.

The idea is that you get used to moving around as much as possible and the game is balanced entirely around your ability to stay up in the air. Air time is the name of the game in later arenas as demons are much faster, you will have Barons and Marauders.

If you are impatient, you can just jump onto horde mode and experience the raw combat. Eternal is difficult, more so than any other game made by Id. Compared at times with Plutonia.

I feel Id spent too much time trying to accessible and that only enraged slow people.

Meanwhile here is Zero Master playing both and excelling at them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnCw9ESwnFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lw1_1Cf83A

By the way, people comparing Eternal to Mario are exaggerating but the discussion did inspire New Blood to make this in response to said comments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFu3WXZ8Nc
If Eternal is Mario, Ultrakill wanted to be Crash Bandicoot.
I love New Blood.

[niccoula]

Escrito originalmente por LagggP:

Im not gonna take anyone seruously who hates on doom eternal. You are just bad at gaming. Since you need to have your hand held, i recommend ubisoft games.

It's funny how people can't accept criticism or other opinions. Or even how some people don't understand the reasons behind some choices/ideas and decide to completely ignore the post to directly attack others and try to ridicule them.
Lol, ye olde "git gud". Quite boring.

[JP]

Escrito originalmente por niccoula:

Escrito originalmente por LagggP:

Im not gonna take anyone seruously who hates on doom eternal. You are just bad at gaming. Since you need to have your hand held, i recommend ubisoft games.

It's funny how people can't accept criticism or other opinions. Or even how some people don't understand the reasons behind some choices/ideas and decide to completely ignore the post to directly attack others and try to ridicule them.
Lol, ye olde "git gud". Quite boring.

judging by your acheivements, you haven't even gotten past the third level... you havent given the game a fair chance. So yes, you should learn the game before you go whine on steam about how this game is not doom 2016. Im not going to respcect your opinion because you haven't played the game enough.

Look, most of us hated doom eternal at first when it came out, including me. I straight up quit the game during the hell on earth mission and didnt return for 2 months later. But when you take time to actually learn the game you will see it is far superior to doom 2016. I cant even go back and play that game after eternal, its mechanically boring and takes no skill.

SO yes, im giving you the ole git gud, because that is exactly the treatment you require. It is not my goal to attack you personally. I really just want to help you through these growing pains and help you find a way to appreciate this game. Give it time and play with an open mind, or just refund the game. It okay to not like the game. But Your opinion wont tarnish the fact that this is one of the best fps games of all time.

[JP]

to be honest your complaints about the platforming is valid. I dont think its an interesting part of the game. But not once in hundreds of hours of gameplay have i actually died from the platforming sections. They are super easy to me. If you are dying from the platforming consider that you are not mechanically skilled at moving with a keyboard. You might actually need the practice. This is a skill that transfers to all sorts of other fps games, like CSGO, apex legends, COD etc. If you are struggling or experiencing adversity, embrace the suck.

[Ripred]

Escrito originalmente por Sgt. Flaw:

My criticisms of the game is the secret areas...it's wtvr, but they shouldn't have combined a game based solely on adrenaline and skill with tediously hidden collectibles. I either wanna do one or the other....Doom Eternal had me running to the next battle because I wanted to shoot ♥♥♥♥...I really disliked having to look for breakable walls and what not to improve my character to lighten the load going further....Like I literally just wanted to fight and get better.

Its wtvr...Im on Icon of Sin and didn't unlock the missile mod for the cannon...guess I'll go back and find one because the videos seem to show that is literally the best weapon to do damage to him....

I also may just keep my game-play style and fight him with what I got tho...it was tough, but I literally didn't do any exploring to level up besides a few slayer gates and using whatever came up on the fastest path to the end. It just pumps the adrenaline way to much to want to tediously search through a level.

The platforming really is helping with the fights tho...it does teach you to use your surroundings to traverse around a battlefield. I was irritated when some of the platforming was easy and mundane and some of the answers to some of the puzzles were again, tedious, while my blood was pumping from just finishing a tough fight.

But I liked the game...It really is a breath of fresh air to have a game run at a respectable FPS and have a high enough difficulty ceiling as nightmare mode and master levels. It's a game...and criticisms besides technical hiccups(which there are few) are moot when it simply sold well and was critically acclaimed.

2016 has collectables also...I like looking for secrets, why not just play the game not worrying about secrets then go back

[ziontheGOAT]

Escrito originalmente por niccoula:

I have loved every single Doom so far. Eternal is excessively irritating.
I really enjoyed it at the beginning, but after a while, like an hour or two, I started to get a strange feeling. Something like playing the game was a chore.
I kept playing for a while until I couldn't take it anymore. The ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ platforming.
I can't stand it. I want to play a badass FPS, like Doom always was. Not a stupid platformer. If I wanted this kind of gameplay I would have downloaded Tomb Raider, Assassins Creed or something similar. I bought Doom: I want to shoot, dodge and kill, not jump and run.
Let me point, shoot, and be a badass.
This game is annoying and feels like a chore. Too bad

Just because the game forces you to actually THINK when you play, doesn't mean it's bad. It just means you don't like it. Calling it "bad" is not really fair.

[Jordan_Peterson]

Escrito originalmente por ziontheGOAT:

Escrito originalmente por niccoula:

I have loved every single Doom so far. Eternal is excessively irritating.
I really enjoyed it at the beginning, but after a while, like an hour or two, I started to get a strange feeling. Something like playing the game was a chore.
I kept playing for a while until I couldn't take it anymore. The ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ platforming.
I can't stand it. I want to play a badass FPS, like Doom always was. Not a stupid platformer. If I wanted this kind of gameplay I would have downloaded Tomb Raider, Assassins Creed or something similar. I bought Doom: I want to shoot, dodge and kill, not jump and run.
Let me point, shoot, and be a badass.
This game is annoying and feels like a chore. Too bad

Just because the game forces you to actually THINK when you play, doesn't mean it's bad. It just means you don't like it. Calling it "bad" is not really fair.

lol
The game doesn't require much strategic thinking at all.
It's basically a Dance Dance Revolution game with a Doom-inspired skin.
All you really need is good muscle memory and quick reflexes. Most of the time, you don't even need to aim - you just need to look in the direction the screen is flashing. The similarities to Dance Dance Revolution are undeniable. In short, thinking is the last thing you'll be doing in nuh-Doom.
If your are not aware of DDR then try looking up "Whac-A-Mole".
Thats the principle of the game loop. It is not thinking strategically at all, it is just reacting.
Many here confuse those two things.

[nohuman]

Shrug. First run for me, finally. heh.
Runs like the smoothest demonic butter ever on 4090 all maxed out, no dlss/blur.

Not exactly hordes of baddies, but some decent fights. Oh and it's shiny, and bloody.
Not a huge fan of the 'jumpy' stuff....double jump? Ok, but why am I swinging from parallel bars like some Olympian?

Only have 2 guns so far, so we shall see where this goes....