Doom 3 Remaster please!

[7igma957]

Remasters and remakes are very popular today. Doom 3 deserves a remake.

Sick of clownish style!

[Sar]

DE doesn’t have “fire and maneuver” for the same reason the original game doesn’t - because “fire and maneuver” is a tactic when one element of a military unit exchanges fire with the enemy, while another element maneuvers. These elements can be as small as individual soldiers or squads of infantry, but you can imagine scaling it up to the point where fire support is provided by, for example, by field artillery. None of that applies to FPS which do not feature co-op or AI allies.

It’s absurd to say that Dusk was inspired by DE, which it preceded by 4 years, or even D2016, with which it was developed simultaneously. However, SuperFly is also wrong. Dusk is much less Blood than it is Quake, Half-Life, Doom etc. For one, every enemy in Dusk is projectile-based.

[SuperFly]

"Fire and maneuver" on the microcasm, is about maneuvering the microterrain to engage the enemy under fire -- which is precisely what DOOM offers -- in a fast-paced and emergently-dynamic package where you can engage as you see fit with cover/maneuver and succeed through superior firepower.
You're flat wrong in your assessment, but it's nice to see sheltered folk trying to broaden their understanding of the world -- even if that's what you got after a few weeks.

D:E offers no such playstyle, hence its lamentation, and the common call-out that "it is not DOOM".

[Ace]

Escrito originalmente por SuperFly:

"Fire and maneuver" on the microcasm, is about maneuvering the microterrain to engage the enemy under fire -- which is precisely what DOOM offers -- in a fast-paced and emergently-dynamic package where you can engage as you see fit with cover/maneuver and succeed through superior firepower.
You're flat wrong in your assessment, but it's nice to see sheltered folk trying to broaden their understanding of the world -- even if that's what you got after a few weeks.

D:E offers no such playstyle, hence its lamentation, and the common call-out that "it is not DOOM".

That's funny because...

" in a fast-paced and emergently-dynamic package where you can engage as you see fit with cover/maneuver and succeed through superior firepower"

Is exactly what doom eternal offers. Also it is DOOM, doom isn't grounded by this elitist mind set of "If it's not like the classic then it isn't doom" It's a toxic view point that serves to gate keep people & they're choice of game.

[zebasstard]

I never imagine people are so angry like that about this game and always have to shout out loud on forums ... I just don't get it ...
Don't like a game, leave it alone and don't mind it ... that's easier to do ... but it seems that spitting their venom on is more enjoyable than trying to understand the game

[SuperFly]

DOOM3's original 'shot-in-the-dark by lamplight' premise was also duly panned for the same departure from formula.
Enough so, that the "BFG Edition" completely altered the re-release's playstyle to bring it more in line with the franchise-at-large (much to the dismay of another small contingent of loud superfans).

D:E did the same bad move.
Nobody bought or played the DLC, and after a strong initial reception, that love went the way of Bethesda's idSoftware's business ethics.

[Sar]

Escrito originalmente por SuperFly:

"Fire and maneuver" on the microcasm, is about maneuvering the microterrain to engage the enemy under fire -- which is precisely what DOOM offers -- in a fast-paced and emergently-dynamic package where you can engage as you see fit with cover/maneuver and succeed through superior firepower.
You're flat wrong in your assessment, but it's nice to see sheltered folk trying to broaden their understanding of the world -- even if that's what you got after a few weeks.

D:E offers no such playstyle, hence its lamentation, and the common call-out that "it is not DOOM".

There’s only one thing funnier than somebody using big words to give their argument more weight, and that’s somebody misusing big words to give their argument more weight. Oh, I’m sorry, their microargument.

[SuperFly]

Escrito originalmente por zebasstard:

I never imagine people are so angry like that about this game and always have to shout out loud on forums ... I just don't get it ...
Don't like a game, leave it alone and don't mind it ... that's easier to do ... but it seems that spitting their venom on is more enjoyable

You seem to underestimate just how much fans adore DOOM.
People love DOOM so much, that new bloods with only an idea of what DOOM is from pop cultural immersion, will throw themselves upon their proverbial swords for any wayward product that bears the branding.

DOOM has a love for it like you used to find with STAR WARS & Star Trek -- and suffers the same downward spiral as it falls into less competent hands at the helm.

If people are critical of its failings and make those shortcomings known, it's because they want better for their favorite thing -- and surely you can understand that as a driving force for any person.

The metric & critical voice of the fan has never been stronger, so those who know & want better for the brand are going to say so.

[Ace]

Escrito originalmente por zebasstard:

I never imagine people are so angry like that about this game and always have to shout out loud on forums ... I just don't get it ...
Don't like a game, leave it alone and don't mind it ... that's easier to do ... but it seems that spitting their venom on is more enjoyable than trying to understand the game

Pretty much this, most people who don't like a game just don't play & move on with their lives, others can't seem to get over themselves & so resort to constantly posting misinformation. It's fine to not like a game but it starts & ends with that person.

[SuperFly]

The fan outcry that ultimately lead to the 'BFG Edition' remastering of DOOM3 is the same backlash the try-hard gameplay, hand-holding mechanics, and ad-nauseum unskippable sequences in D:E receive.

If anyone thinks criticism "starts and ends with one person", they have no idea how societies function -- and that shows on the regular.
(Pro-Tip: A "Golden Slayer" is not an actual life achievement.)

[Ace]

Escrito originalmente por SuperFly:

The fan outcry that ultimately lead to the 'BFG Edition' remastering of DOOM3 is the same backlash the try-hard gameplay, hand-holding mechanics, and ad-nauseum unskippable sequences in D:E receive.

If anyone thinks criticism "starts and ends with one person", they have no idea how societies function -- and that shows on the regular.
(Pro-Tip: A "Golden Slayer" is not an actual life achievement.)

I'm sorry you never got your gold slayer but that's hardly a reason to criticise the game or the people who enjoy it with misinformation. Unfortunately you're not going to convince anyone of anything so ultimately you're wasting your time, we know how the game works & you do not. End of.

Edit: We get it you love the classic version & we also love eternal so good for you, but you don't see us coming to those forums & being toxic about a game.

"(Pro-Tip: A "Golden Slayer" is not an actual life achievement.)"

Neither is calling yourself a "Legacy fan"

[SuperFly]

Escrito originalmente por Ace:

Escrito originalmente por SuperFly:

The fan outcry that ultimately lead to the 'BFG Edition' remastering of DOOM3 is the same backlash the try-hard gameplay, hand-holding mechanics, and ad-nauseum unskippable sequences in D:E receive.

If anyone thinks criticism "starts and ends with one person", they have no idea how societies function -- and that shows on the regular.
(Pro-Tip: A "Golden Slayer" is not an actual life achievement.)

I'm sorry you never got your gold slayer but that's hardly a reason to criticise the game or the people who enjoy it with misinformation. Unfortunately you're not going to convince anyone of anything so ultimately you're wasting your time, we know how the game works & you do not. End of.

Edit: We get it you love the classic version & we also love eternal so good for you, but you don't see us coming to those forums & being toxic about a game.

You seem to think you're in some kind of tribe. Get a grip, dude.
It's a bad game for the franchise & the criticisms are valid -- move on for your health.

[Ace]

Escrito originalmente por SuperFly:

Escrito originalmente por Ace:

I'm sorry you never got your gold slayer but that's hardly a reason to criticise the game or the people who enjoy it with misinformation. Unfortunately you're not going to convince anyone of anything so ultimately you're wasting your time, we know how the game works & you do not. End of.

Edit: We get it you love the classic version & we also love eternal so good for you, but you don't see us coming to those forums & being toxic about a game.

You seem to think you're in some kind of tribe. Get a grip, dude.
It's a bad game for the franchise & the criticisms are valid -- move on for your health.

Nah not really I'm just a fan of doom who's not part of the toxic elitist group that the classic club has created.

It's a bad game to YOU not to us, get a grip mate & stop trying so hard to convince everyone here that it's bad, nothing you have posted is valid criticism & when we ask for your evidence & sources to what you say, you refuse because you know that what you're saying is wrong, it hasn't worked & you're just wasting your time.

Don't like the game? fine, it starts & ends with you, move on with your life & stop spamming the forums with nonsense :)

[Leo]

We're locking this thread as it has devolved into non-productive argument. Thanks for your understanding.