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I have been very vocal these last 24 hours.

I cannot believe Bethesda has had the nerve to pull this kind of nonsense, with the DOOM fanbase no less!

Thank you for understanding and the refunds you are doing, I hope Bethesda has to foot the bill.

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For the cerebrally challenged amongst us let me explain what annoyed me to the point of refund.

<- Taken from a later post no one is reading ->

For the record, I am actually of the opinion that DRM is OK, some are less invasive, some are more invasive.

The reason I have kicked off so vocally about this one in particular is that I am very careful with this PC, I check what comes with a game.

Bethesda pulled a pure bait and switch with this, which I see happens a lot in games I don't play - COD gets MTX added later on etc.

They broke UK law, they broke my trust. It doesn't have anything to do with Denuvo in particular, it's the way they sneakily tried to get us all to purchase it and then added this crap after the fact, very underhanded.

[KRAK#N]

yeah i tried to do mine but it got denied
any help?

[DethMerchant2001]

Its not being a corporate shill if you understand that there are potentially hundreds of other programs on your computer that also have the same level of access, but everyone is just picking on this one. Any one of the dozens, to hundreds, of things on your computer (including other anticheat programs) could be hacked and exploited.

[LordShoe]

Originally posted by OutSeal:

Originally posted by LordShoe:

yeah heres some help

stop being a Karen

you could also stop being a corporate shills

brilliant execution of your argument.

I have an opinion that is different than youre. i MUST be getting paid for it

thats the same logic you people are using for everything. "i disagree therefore it must be THIS and nothing else"

[KRAK#N]

Originally posted by DethMerchant2001:

Its not being a corporate shill if you understand that there are potentially hundreds of other programs on your computer that also have the same level of access, but everyone is just picking on this one. Any one of the dozens, to hundreds, of things on your computer (including other anticheat programs) could be hacked and exploited.

yes but no-one knowingly wants it

[LordShoe]

Originally posted by DethMerchant2001:

Its not being a corporate shill if you understand that there are potentially hundreds of other programs on your computer that also have the same level of access, but everyone is just picking on this one. Any one of the dozens, to hundreds, of things on your computer (including other anticheat programs) could be hacked and exploited.

welcome to literally ALL of your I/O. Meanwhile everyone here is using mice and keyboards manufactured deep in the heart of china, all that have kernel level drivers. Yet nobody bats an eye.

BUT OH MAN. THAT DENUVO!

[Flickmann]

Originally posted by DethMerchant2001:

Its not being a corporate shill if you understand that there are potentially hundreds of other programs on your computer that also have the same level of access, but everyone is just picking on this one. Any one of the dozens, to hundreds, of things on your computer (including other anticheat programs) could be hacked and exploited.

From Wikipedia:

"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument."

Since you're committing a textbook logical fallacy, everyone can safely ignore you.

[kakiss4]

Originally posted by DethMerchant2001:

Its not being a corporate shill if you understand that there are potentially hundreds of other programs on your computer that also have the same level of access, but everyone is just picking on this one. Any one of the dozens, to hundreds, of things on your computer (including other anticheat programs) could be hacked and exploited.

Thats not true.

[DethMerchant2001]

Originally posted by KRAK3N:

Originally posted by DethMerchant2001:

Its not being a corporate shill if you understand that there are potentially hundreds of other programs on your computer that also have the same level of access, but everyone is just picking on this one. Any one of the dozens, to hundreds, of things on your computer (including other anticheat programs) could be hacked and exploited.

yes but no-one knowingly wants it

I understand that, but I really feel this outrage is a non issue. If someone gets hacked, and denuvo can without a doubt be proven to be the culprit, then I can see the outrage. until then, it will just be theory and speculation.

[LordShoe]

Originally posted by Flickmann:

Originally posted by DethMerchant2001:

Its not being a corporate shill if you understand that there are potentially hundreds of other programs on your computer that also have the same level of access, but everyone is just picking on this one. Any one of the dozens, to hundreds, of things on your computer (including other anticheat programs) could be hacked and exploited.

From Wikipedia:

"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument."

Since you're committing a textbook logical fallacy, everyone can safely ignore you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

and since you all are exercising extreme cognitive dissonance to justify it

your argument also can be safely disregarded

[DethMerchant2001]

Originally posted by LordShoe:

Originally posted by DethMerchant2001:

Its not being a corporate shill if you understand that there are potentially hundreds of other programs on your computer that also have the same level of access, but everyone is just picking on this one. Any one of the dozens, to hundreds, of things on your computer (including other anticheat programs) could be hacked and exploited.

welcome to literally ALL of your I/O. Meanwhile everyone here is using mice and keyboards manufactured deep in the heart of china, all that have kernel level drivers. Yet nobody bats an eye.

BUT OH MAN. THAT DENUVO!

♥♥♥♥ I honestly would be more worried that my mouse was carrying malware, than the fact that I could get it from a popular aaa game made by an american company

[Hipster Dufus]

Just stop playing the game and get on with your life

[LordShoe]

Originally posted by DethMerchant2001:

Originally posted by LordShoe:

welcome to literally ALL of your I/O. Meanwhile everyone here is using mice and keyboards manufactured deep in the heart of china, all that have kernel level drivers. Yet nobody bats an eye.

BUT OH MAN. THAT DENUVO!

♥♥♥♥ I honestly would be more worried that my mouse was carrying malware, than the fact that I could get it from a popular aaa game made by an american company

no didnt you read! all this stuff made in china is REPUTABLE and SAFE. These devices that your computer CANNOT OPERATE WITHOUT will never be targeted and they are perfectly safe!

especially the ones that are made for 10 cents from corporations that are in part owned or operated by the chinese government who has already been known to install malware in their products.

Those could NEVER be targeted or exploited!

didnt you read. its DENUVO!

[M.Spengler]

Originally posted by I am The Light:

Just stop playing the game and get on with your life

thumbs up on this

[Hipster Dufus]

the best protest you can have is to not play and not buy their software
full stop

[DethMerchant2001]

Originally posted by LordShoe:

Originally posted by DethMerchant2001:

♥♥♥♥ I honestly would be more worried that my mouse was carrying malware, than the fact that I could get it from a popular aaa game made by an american company

no didnt you read! all this stuff made in china is REPUTABLE and SAFE. These devices that your computer CANNOT OPERATE WITHOUT will never be targeted and they are perfectly safe!

especially the ones that are made for 10 cents from corporations that are in part owned or operated by the chinese government who has already been known to install malware in their products.

Those could NEVER be targeted or exploited!

didnt you read. its DENUVO!

oh man! well im sure glad to know nothing could ever happen to any of the chinese equipment on my computer