I wish Mick Gordon did the entire soundtrack

[Dr. Professor Commander]

It says online he got fired for criticism, but I thought it was because he didn't meet his deadlines that were set? Either way the dude is an outstanding musician, if this is true that he got fired for criticizing how the soundtrack was mixed that's super lame.

The criticism of someone of that skill level should be valuable unless it wasn't constructive...

[ktulu84]

Its sad to see mick is gone but DLC soundtrack is already a huge succes so its not a problem anymore. Come on its andrew hulshult

[Dr. Professor Commander]

Yeah, I know Hulshult is really good too, I loved The World Spear's track the most in particular. Gives me different vibes, but still feels very DOOMey lol

[Destroyer]

If Bethesda and Mick didn't had any issues woulda happened. DLC soundtracks are very good anyway.

[CzechKronner]

Mick Gordon is great but Ancient Gods actually had better music imho. Levy and Hulshult are pretty damn good.

[Dr. Professor Commander]

CzechKronner の投稿を引用：

Mick Gordon is great but Ancient Gods actually had better music imho. Levy and Hulshult are pretty damn good.

Which ones did Levy do? I'd like to know what his work sounds like lol. Kinda my thing as a musician I guess lol, I like to identify an artists particular sound.

[CzechKronner]

Stormin Norman の投稿を引用：

CzechKronner の投稿を引用：

Mick Gordon is great but Ancient Gods actually had better music imho. Levy and Hulshult are pretty damn good.

Which ones did Levy do? I'd like to know what his work sounds like lol. Kinda my thing as a musician I guess lol, I like to identify an artists particular sound.

See these videos :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6y21SKTtJI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AkbDMpgAd0

[Wylie28]

Idk. Hulshults is better. Mick is a one hit wonder. He was onto something special with 2016. But nothing he does here is remotely as good. He abandonded his entire chain system that made the 2016 soundtrack good. Its just generic af metal. Which Hulshult does better.

[Nix-Man]

Wylie28 の投稿を引用：

Idk. Hulshults is better. Mick is a one hit wonder. He was onto something special with 2016. But nothing he does here is remotely as good. He abandonded his entire chain system that made the 2016 soundtrack good. Its just generic af metal. Which Hulshult does better.

1000% subjective. However I am inclined to agree that '16 was the pinnacle of Mick's repertoire thus far.
But for the sake of argument, his ost for the Prey reboot is fantastic. I dare just about anyone to listen to the opening track and not ever so slightly start bobbing their head to the beat:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c83xPLG8A8&list=PLzYbftNvTrZdbZ_-FKb8PsLlx5AzSfWyl&index=2
He also composed the ost for 2017's Killer Instinct, which has little golden nuggets throughout.
And his most recent work on Atomic Heart sounds like a great middle ground between the lighter stuff in Prey, mixed with flairs of Doom '16.
As far as is character and professionalism goes, he's a bit of an artist ♥♥♥♥♥. But let's not be thick about the man’s talent as a musician.
In terms of the theads topic though; Mick made his bed and Haulshult/Levy were the right men for the job.

[SuperFly]

There's a caveat to this entire situation, and all the purported/unsubstantiated/suspect conduct that transpired with it behind the scenes:
Those same managerial minds behind illegally implementing Denuvo Anti-Cheat and violating international EULA laws with such a shady move, were the ones who had the row with Mick, and whom that artist accused of dirty business.

They set an inarguable precedent of nefariousness for themselves with their DAC dealings -- so the likelihood that they were acting above water in other business dealings is obviously suspect.
The modus operandi at Bethesda's idSoftware is clearly not on the same wholesome level that they would like to present as their cuddly-wuddly public face.

Mick is still out there delivering for creators who recognize talent; alumnists Hulshult & Levy got to do recognizable work in his absence; and the bosses at Microsoft's Bethesda's idSoftware still have their jobs -- so the only real losers in it all were the fans.

[Nix-Man]

SuperFly の投稿を引用：

There's a caveat to this entire situation, and all the purported/unsubstantiated/suspect conduct that transpired with it behind the scenes:
Those same managerial minds behind illegally implementing Denuvo Anti-Cheat and violating international EULA laws with such a shady move, were the ones who had the row with Mick, and whom that artist accused of dirty business.

They set an inarguable precedent of nefariousness for themselves with their DAC dealings -- so the likelihood that they were acting above water in other business dealings is obviously suspect.
The modus operandi at Bethesda's idSoftware is clearly not on the same wholesome level that they would like to present as their cuddly-wuddly public face.

Mick is still out there delivering for creators who recognize talent; alumnists Hulshult & Levy got to do recognizable work in his absence; and the bosses at Microsoft's Bethesda's idSoftware still have their jobs -- so the only real losers in it all were the fans.

I gotta say this is a pretty measured take. Although I have been somewhat outspoken for years now about how ♥♥♥♥♥ Bethesda is as a company. It would not surprise me in the least if they jerked Mick around a bit here and there.
Hell as the story goes some higher ups didn't even want Mick putting guitars into '16, but Mick did it anyways.
As far as Mick and id's online discourse show however, he had ample time to complete his job, with extensions, and a bonus as the carrot. And still made the active choice not to follow through.
Tinfoil-on-head... Mick wanted out, because he didn't want to deal with Bethesda’s corporate bs anymore. So he shirked his contractual obligations to force their hand.
But to echo your sentiment at the end, either way you slice it the fans lost out. And that’s a total bummer.

[Grampire]

SuperFly の投稿を引用：

Mick is still out there delivering for creators who recognize talent; alumnists Hulshult & Levy got to do recognizable work in his absence; and the bosses at Microsoft's Bethesda's idSoftware still have their jobs -- so the only real losers in it all were the fans.

Completely subjective, unless you live and breath nothing but pretense.

If nothing else, Levy proved that he could imitate the djent formula Mick created at least as well as the original element and Hulshult proved that there were alternatives that were at least as good. Personally, I think Mick was surpassed in Doom Eternal with TAG1 - and many people I've seen on this board agree.

Nix-Man の投稿を引用：

I gotta say this is a pretty measured take.

It's a measured take if you're packing a membership card for the "Damn you Bethesda" club and blame everything on conspiratorial assumptions to assuage your disappointment and grievance.

I'm not interested in assuming anything about any of the people or groups listed in the above quote - but you guys feel free if that's what you need to get over... whatever it is you need to get over here.

Mick made some really good tracks for Eternal - SGN is great and I think he did a great job with what's in the game. He's not the last person who will ever score great music in a Doom game - that's already been proven:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cddkuOgedhY

[SuperFly]

Grampire の投稿を引用：

SuperFly の投稿を引用：

Mick is still out there delivering for creators who recognize talent; alumnists Hulshult & Levy got to do recognizable work in his absence; and the bosses at Microsoft's Bethesda's idSoftware still have their jobs -- so the only real losers in it all were the fans.

Completely subjective, unless you live and breath nothing but pretense.

If nothing else, Levy proved that he could imitate the djent formula Mick created at least as well as the original element and Hulshult proved that there were alternatives that were at least as good... - and many people I've seen on this board agree.

Talk about pretentious...?

[Grampire]

SuperFly の投稿を引用：

Grampire の投稿を引用：

Completely subjective, unless you live and breath nothing but pretense.

If nothing else, Levy proved that he could imitate the djent formula Mick created at least as well as the original element and Hulshult proved that there were alternatives that were at least as good... - and many people I've seen on this board agree.

Talk about pretentious...?

If it offers you any consolation, you can decide which of us is the kettle and which is the pot. And I mean there's examples of what you've italicized in this very thread, so I don't feel I'm being too stuffy.

But the pretext that he's delivering elsewhere and the fans still lose is what I'm getting at. The fans are still kinda getting something if they have to get their fill of Mick (hopefully Atomic Heart plays well too - I hear former Ubisoft devs are involved in a project and I get concerned). Just elsewhere.

[SuperFly]

Grampire の投稿を引用：

SuperFly の投稿を引用：

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My flat statement that Hulshult/Levy gave recognizable work was not a discredit -- unless someone is already assuming that Mick Gordon possesses superior audiophonic & artistic talent. I said nothing leading; implied nothing; and meant every word of it.

Prior Bethesda/idSoftware offerings like 'Quake Champions' feature multiple soundtracks for fans to enjoy -- setting another precedent for a more amicable direction the shady-dealing upper management could have taken once they severed ties with an artist, yet retained a compendium of in-demand work.
Needless to say, only the fans lost out to their dealings in the end.

[SuperFly]

...but since subjectivity seems to be the knee-jerk du jour, the unsung star of the D:E soundtrack since it's day-and-date release has clearly been the uncredited Bobby Prince.
The soundtrack for D:E left much to be desired following the slam dunk of D16, and his iconic tunes were sampled in throughout the sequel -- elevating the material every time.