How you get ammo is keeping me from playing this game.

[MaxxGold]

I'm sure this has been complained about to the point that most of the community could care less, but it is really keeping me from wanting to continue the game. The sad thing is that I do want to keep playing, but it is just annoying and cheesy, to me anyways. The armor and shielding as well.

I just want to play Doom style where we pickup all the ammo and items we need while fragging mobs.

Are there any mods or something that doesn't affect achievements that can just have enough ammo and armor spread out, so I can just play old-school DooM?

[Mortimer Reed]

Just play old-school Doom. Or any other boomer shooters. As far as mods, I believe modding the game disables achievements.

Curiously, why does the resource management of Doom Eternal annoy you?

[MaxxGold]

Originally posted by Mortimer Reed:

Just play old-school Doom. Or any other boomer shooters. As far as mods, I believe modding the game disables achievements.

Curiously, why does the resource management of Doom Eternal annoy you?

Thanks for the reply.

It just seems unnecessary. I mean they do have armor and ammo in the levels, but just not enough. I can do all the switching and can easily get the ammo, but, it doesn't add anything to the experience for me. I have to constantly be thinking about my ammo, when I would rather just blast bad guys. Its just a drag for me. I don't mind complexity, but just making ammo anything more that picking it up is just seems strange. I've never played a game where you just didn't get ammo.

Does Doom 2016 have normal ammo pickup?

[Hundinger]

The good thing about this system is that you have infinite everything. Getting ammo, health and armor whenever you need it allows the game to confront you with way more aggressive and dangerous AI and much more of them than in the previous game. I really don't understand why people are opposed to have total control over their ressources instead of being dependent on limited amounts of packs on the floor.

I don't know if there are mods, I doubt it.

[MaxxGold]

Originally posted by Hundinger:

The good thing about this system is that you have infinite everything. Getting ammo, health and armor whenever you need it allows the game to confront you with way more aggressive and dangerous AI and much more of them than in the previous game. I really don't understand why people are opposed to have total control over their ressources instead of being dependent on limited amounts of packs on the floor.

I don't know if there are mods, I doubt it.

For me, like I stated before you could post. It just seem unnecessary. And, every other doom game provides your resources in the level, and lets you just worry about mob stomping. I can see how you guys like it, but it just becomes a chore for me. I can do it, and it is not very hard, it is just another chore, when I want to play, not do chores.

Another thing about it, is it seems to identify people with ADHD and takes advantage of it by forcing you to do something overly repetitive. I know games are repetitive in general, but for me this is over the top.

[Hundinger]

Originally posted by MaxxGold:

Originally posted by Mortimer Reed:

Just play old-school Doom. Or any other boomer shooters. As far as mods, I believe modding the game disables achievements.

Curiously, why does the resource management of Doom Eternal annoy you?

Thanks for the reply.

It just seems unnecessary. I mean they do have armor and ammo in the levels, but just not enough. I can do all the switching and can easily get the ammo, but, it doesn't add anything to the experience for me. I have to constantly be thinking about my ammo, when I would rather just blast bad guys. Its just a drag for me. I don't mind complexity, but just making ammo anything more that picking it up is just seems strange. I've never played a game where you just didn't get ammo.

Does Doom 2016 have normal ammo pickup?

Yes, and Eternal has plenty of normal pickup too. But you aren't dependent on it because you can just take what you need whenever you need it. It takes time getting used to. I guess you aren't far into the game yet, try a few more levels before giving up on it. Or don't.

[MaxxGold]

Originally posted by Hundinger:

Originally posted by MaxxGold:

Thanks for the reply.

It just seems unnecessary. I mean they do have armor and ammo in the levels, but just not enough. I can do all the switching and can easily get the ammo, but, it doesn't add anything to the experience for me. I have to constantly be thinking about my ammo, when I would rather just blast bad guys. Its just a drag for me. I don't mind complexity, but just making ammo anything more that picking it up is just seems strange. I've never played a game where you just didn't get ammo.

Does Doom 2016 have normal ammo pickup?

Yes, and Eternal has plenty of normal pickup too. But you aren't dependent on it because you can just take what you need whenever you need it. It takes time getting used to. I guess you aren't far into the game yet, try a few more levels before giving up on it. Or don't.

Ok, thank you.

Yeah, I'm just a few hours in. I'm sure at some point I'll hop back in, but right now I just want to clear levels and shoot stuff :) I do like the game itself. If I could just get ammo the traditional way, I would be blasting away right now. But I'll definitely give it another go. Thank you for the help

[Hundinger]

Originally posted by MaxxGold:

Originally posted by Hundinger:

The good thing about this system is that you have infinite everything. Getting ammo, health and armor whenever you need it allows the game to confront you with way more aggressive and dangerous AI and much more of them than in the previous game. I really don't understand why people are opposed to have total control over their ressources instead of being dependent on limited amounts of packs on the floor.

I don't know if there are mods, I doubt it.

For me, like I stated before you could post. It just seem unnecessary. And, every other doom game provides your resources in the level, and lets you just worry about mob stomping. I can see how you guys like it, but it just becomes a chore for me. I can do it, and it is not very hard, it is just another chore, when I want to play, not do chores.

Another thing about it, is it seems to identify people with ADHD and takes advantage of it by forcing you to do something overly repetitive. I know games are repetitive in general, but for me this is over the top.

I understand if you don't like it. But please don't give me the ADHD bs. Some people can't accept that people like something they don't and dismiss them as kiddies or whatever insults they can come up with. That happens too often in this forum. Stay respectful, please.

edit: again I wrote before I read your last answer. You seem okay, maybe I'm overly sensitive to buzz words like ADHD. If you knew this forum....

[Mortimer Reed]

Originally posted by MaxxGold:

Originally posted by Mortimer Reed:

Just play old-school Doom. Or any other boomer shooters. As far as mods, I believe modding the game disables achievements.

Curiously, why does the resource management of Doom Eternal annoy you?

Thanks for the reply.

It just seems unnecessary. I mean they do have armor and ammo in the levels, but just not enough. I can do all the switching and can easily get the ammo, but, it doesn't add anything to the experience for me. I have to constantly be thinking about my ammo, when I would rather just blast bad guys. Its just a drag for me. I don't mind complexity, but just making ammo anything more that picking it up is just seems strange. I've never played a game where you just didn't get ammo.

Does Doom 2016 have normal ammo pickup?

Yes, but it has also the chainsaw ammo recovery and glory kills for health.

I hope you can give Doom Eternal another go and learn its systems. For me, the ability to retrieve resources from enemies while in combat makes for a more exciting and aggressive gameplay, since you won't need to scrounge for ammo, armor, or health. You don't need to always run to the spots where there are resource pick-ups.

The low ammo count also incentivize skillful and accurate shooting. You will engage more on exploiting enemy weaknesses since you don't want to run out of ammo quickly. And even if you do, your auto-refueling chainsaw can recover ammo, practically giving you infinite ammo as long as you know when to use it.

[Mortimer Reed]

Originally posted by Hundinger:

Originally posted by MaxxGold:

For me, like I stated before you could post. It just seem unnecessary. And, every other doom game provides your resources in the level, and lets you just worry about mob stomping. I can see how you guys like it, but it just becomes a chore for me. I can do it, and it is not very hard, it is just another chore, when I want to play, not do chores.

Another thing about it, is it seems to identify people with ADHD and takes advantage of it by forcing you to do something overly repetitive. I know games are repetitive in general, but for me this is over the top.

I understand if you don't like it. But please don't give me the ADHD bs. Some people can't accept that people like something they don't and dismiss them as kiddies or whatever insults they can come up with. That happens too often in this forum. Stay respectful, please.

I just noticed the ADHD comment. WTF.

Yeah, all games have repetition. That's why it's called a gameplay loop.

[Sar]

A good way to worry less about managing your infinite ammo in Doom Eternal is to stop thinking about your chainsaw as just a way of getting more ammo. You’re 100% guaranteed to not have fun if you shoot demons until your ammo reserves run dry, and then run around with the chainsaw. Instead, consider its other applications. A chainsaw gives you a couple of seconds of complete invincibility on demand, a valuable time to recollect yourself and come up with a plan to not die, a way to tank a particularly nasty attack. A Baron of Hell suddenly landed nearby? A Whiplash is doing her ranged attack? Just chainsaw a fodder nearby if they are there. Early in the game, it isn’t hard to collect 3 pips of fuel and eliminate a nasty heavy demon instantly (subway Arachnotron in Hell on Earth comes to mind). And some fodder demons are dangerous enough that instantly killing them is rewarding by itself. Shield dudes come to mind. If you round a corner and see one of those, saw him. If you run around with a gun like RL or ballista and suddenly there is a gargoyle starting it’s melee animation - chainsaw it instead of wasting rockets or cells. Remember that there is a bit of teleport with chainsaw, you don’t need to be very close to a demon to initiate the animation!

The second advice would be predictable - diversify. Shells, bullets, cells all have two associated weapons, each with two fire mods. It’s easy to find a favorite one in each category. Doesn’t have to be meta. Don’t want to memorize Precision Bolt combos? Use Micro-Missiles, or the Gatling with Shield, which allows you to literally stand still for 6 seconds while killing everything with a storm of bullets, etc.

[chester]

Your main complaint is the biggest reason I love this game so much. When games rely on pickups, I feel like I have to play safer. I'll usually try harder to take less damage and not use my weapons recklessly, ultimately playing in a less aggressive and less fun way. I never know when the game is going to give me more health or ammo.

Doom Eternal completely solves this. Instead of the game giving you resources, you take them for yourself. You never have to disengage from combat to look for pickups due to low stack, because restacking is tied directly to the combat. It lets you play hyper aggressively in a way that wouldn't be possible if the game relied on pickups. So long as you have the skill to back it up, you can play as recklessly as you want. It's a brilliant system, and I hope more shooters take inspiration from it and start to shift away from reliance on pickups.

[Grampire]

Keep at it sir. The first 3-4 levels are rigid but the game opens up after that. I promise you won't miss the pickups on the floor - I don't.

[Smask]

Originally posted by Sar:

A good way to worry less about managing your infinite ammo in Doom Eternal is to stop thinking about your chainsaw as just a way of getting more ammo. You’re 100% guaranteed to not have fun if you shoot demons until your ammo reserves run dry, and then run around with the chainsaw. Instead, consider its other applications. A chainsaw gives you a couple of seconds of complete invincibility on demand, a valuable time to recollect yourself and come up with a plan to not die, a way to tank a particularly nasty attack. A Baron of Hell suddenly landed nearby? A Whiplash is doing her ranged attack? Just chainsaw a fodder nearby if they are there. Early in the game, it isn’t hard to collect 3 pips of fuel and eliminate a nasty heavy demon instantly (subway Arachnotron in Hell on Earth comes to mind). And some fodder demons are dangerous enough that instantly killing them is rewarding by itself. Shield dudes come to mind. If you round a corner and see one of those, saw him. If you run around with a gun like RL or ballista and suddenly there is a gargoyle starting it’s melee animation - chainsaw it instead of wasting rockets or cells. Remember that there is a bit of teleport with chainsaw, you don’t need to be very close to a demon to initiate the animation!

The second advice would be predictable - diversify. Shells, bullets, cells all have two associated weapons, each with two fire mods. It’s easy to find a favorite one in each category. Doesn’t have to be meta. Don’t want to memorize Precision Bolt combos? Use Micro-Missiles, or the Gatling with Shield, which allows you to literally stand still for 6 seconds while killing everything with a storm of bullets, etc.

Wise words... +10

[Sar]

I actually forgot ANOTHER great chainsaw use! Blood Fueled rune description states it gives you a speed boost after a glory kill, but that’s a lie by omission - chainsaw kills trigger Blood Fueled as well. Need a 7 second speed boost? Use your chainsaw!

[Qdude]

Trust me when I say chainsaws are just factually superior to picking up ammo off the ground. It's boring to replay a level and run around picking up ammo in the same spots, it's cooler to chainsaw an entire demon in half, and it's faster. The only thing that the chainsaw system doesn't do that the simple ammo pickup system does is restrict your arsenal due to low ammo and create interesting scenarios. But Doom Eternal is not about restricting your choices, it's about getting you to use your entire arsenal, all the time.