Battlemode 2.0 is unbalanced, unplayable and a waste of time

[Pope Innocent the 69th]

TL;DR: The Demons are so pathetically weak, it's laughable that anyone even plays this game mode. Due to the Slayer's mobility, tankyness, sustain and insane damage output with quick-swapping against the the low damage, HP and sustain of the demons means that a good slayer is unbeatable. Just his damage and mobility alone means that he will get on top of you no matter what, and annihilate you in 2 seconds flat (actual amount of time).

I've spent a good few matches playing this mode, trying to confirm that my initial perception of the demons being underpowered was correct and I wasn't just sucking at it.

I can now confirm that the demons are horribly undertuned.

I don't even get a chance to play the game, do anything or use my powers, because 2 seconds after the word 'FIGHT' I'm already dead and I cannot get away from the Slayer. I literally don't get a chance to do anything, therefore it can't be a case of me being bad, because in order for that to be the case, me losing would have to come from doing the wrong thing. I don't get to do ANY thing. Slayer walks through portal, runs at me and I die instantly.

The whole game-mode is balanced around the Slayer player being bad-mediocre. Not using quick-swapping, not staying in the air, not moving unpredictably, not playing aggressively, etc.

A slayer that DOES those things will delete any demons and it's not even close.

To clarify: Battlemode 2.0 isn't a contest of skill: It's simply a check on the slayer's skill. The very best demon players in the world couldn't even hold a candle to a good slayer and the best slayers will humiliate any demon duo, regardless of what they do.

How do I know this? Because good slayers will simply walk through the portal, meathook to one of the player demons on the word 'FIGHT' and 2-3 seconds later that demon is dead. Doesn't matter which one and it doesn't matter what the demons are doing. Because he's the slayer, he's also faster, so you can't get away from him either. He will instantly force the engagement and you will instantly die.

Even as Mancubus, the tankies Demon with 'big scary flamethrowers', competent slayers would just run at me, ignore my damage and annihilate me in seconds.

Now, because it is the slayer, he is more mobile than any demon. This means that he gets to decide when and where he fights. If he wants to attack you, you're not getting away, and if he's in trouble, you will never catch him. Jump-pads, teleports and meathook ensures that you will never-ever kill a good slayer. The only way you're killing one is if they brazenly attack you with poor mechanics.

This gets even worse when you consider that you're supposed to 'co-operate' with a completely random stranger against a guy who's on semi-godmode. I've never ONCE had the other demon player try to communicate with me and all of my efforts at communicating with them were ignored. I was overjoyed whenever my fellow demon player was even smart enough to stand in the healzone I created, 7/10 times that too gets ignored.

If the devs actually want this game-mode to be reasonably competitive, they need to balance it around good slayers and significantly increase the power of the demons. You should not attempt to take on player demons unless you're good at the game. If you suck, then deal with it. As it is, a game of Battlemode 2.0 is overwhelmingly in the Slayer's favour, unless he is a complete idiot.

[heyitsdazy]

It is balanced. Its just hackers using command line exploits that were leaked, and bots. [TF2 has a major bot issue apparently] I have at least 500 hours in BM and have learned to just lobby dodge the hackers. (thats how I got all the hellforged weapons and skins as Slayer) If you play against the same hackers as Demon you will still get deleted unusually quick.

Play on console and you will find out how different it is w less hackers. There are still some hackers of course but not nearly as many. Some ppl use lag switches (which sux but isnt as bad as getting deleted in 2 secs) but most are legit players. On PS4 I played some high tier people and they would take way more than 2 seconds to kill me. On Switch I would say 99% of players are legit and its actually fun. Obviously the major draw back is the bad frame rate; but I would rather play w bad graphics against actual players than w good graphics against sweat lords/hackers. Its really unfortunate that sweat lords and hackers ruined the PC version. The Switch version could use a bigger fan base. I know using a controller isnt as good; but it at least puts people on a more even level playing field than keyboard mouse/hot keys and voice command controls.

If there is any light to this situation; Bethesda might make the hellforged weapons for sale at the very end of its life. The BM seasons just started over today with the skins. So Im guessing the game is done and they are giving people one last chance to get all the Slayer and Demon skins in the BM 2.0.

BM has been a hell of a ride. I am done w PC version and am going to go to PS4 and Switch to get all the hellforged and demon skins I missed.

Yes I bought this game 4 times just to see if I was actually bad or if I was just getting stomped by hackers, and to see if the situation was as bad on console (its not). I even got it on Stadia and unfortunately I cant even get a single match to happen cuz only like 30 ppl play it.

Hope this shed some light on this unfortunate situation.

[AT]

Barney eredeti hozzászólása:

To clarify: Battlemode 2.0 isn't a contest of skill: It's simply a check on the slayer's skill. The very best demon players in the world couldn't even hold a candle to a good slayer and the best slayers will humiliate any demon duo, regardless of what they do.

A week back I ran 15-20 games paired up with Wyrdsie (who was both the top slayer and demon on the leaderboard). Didn't dodge anyone and didn't lose a single game, though we went all five rounds against a top 10 slayer at one point.

We would definitely have lost against one of the absolute top slayers (and i've seen more than a few top demons get run over in the past), But then again i'm not exactly a top 10 demon myself.

Getting into a group with a comparable or better demon partner is a huge boost over playing with randoms. It won't win you games against the best but it does make the demon side of battlemode a whole lot better to play.

[Pope Innocent the 69th]

You simply cannot be right. Very-very clear and obvious maths says otherwise. A super shotgun blast deals 900 damage. A ballista shot does 500. With qucik-swapping a non-hacker can do 1400 damage in the blink of an eye and it's not like he can't do it again half a second later.

Either that, or you're lying. Idk why you'd do that, but I can count.

The reason it's probably balanced on console is that people can't aim properly with controllers. I just played 2 games after making this response and in both games the slayer just ran at me and instantly annihilated me in the blink of an eye. I didn't get to do ANYTHING, because his damage is just so insane.

[Pope Innocent the 69th]

AT eredeti hozzászólása:

Barney eredeti hozzászólása:

To clarify: Battlemode 2.0 isn't a contest of skill: It's simply a check on the slayer's skill. The very best demon players in the world couldn't even hold a candle to a good slayer and the best slayers will humiliate any demon duo, regardless of what they do.

A week back I ran 15-20 games paired up with Wyrdsie (who was both the top slayer and demon on the leaderboard). Didn't dodge anyone and didn't lose a single game, though we went all five rounds against a top 10 slayer at one point.

We would definitely have lost against one of the absolute top slayers (and i've seen more than a few top demons get run over in the past), But then again i'm not exactly a top 10 demon myself.

Getting into a group with a comparable or better demon partner is a huge boost over playing with randoms. It won't win you games against the best but it does make the demon side of battlemode a whole lot better to play.

No you didn't. 3 quickswaps and you're dead. Why are you lying to me? Are you paid by Bethesda?

900+500+900=2300. This can be done in less than 2 seconds and it kills the majority of demons. At long range, Hell Cannon+Ballista is even faster and can be done well beyond the range of most demons.

Demons attacks do 10-20 damage and cannot be spammed any faster. Abilities may do 1 time extra burst for slightly more. Even if both Demons are attacking the slayer at the same time, he will still kill the other demon well before they could kill him, then heal off the loot of that dead player demon that can't be denied, turn after the other and do the same insta-kill combo again.

No hacks needed, the game is just balanced around trash slayers.

[AT]

Barney eredeti hozzászólása:

No you didn't. 3 quickswaps and you're dead. Why are you lying to me? Are you paid by Bethesda?

Why would I lie to you?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2813324481

[Pope Innocent the 69th]

Idk, but I don't see how a 2 second 2300 damage combo coming from a more tanky and more mobile character that can start the round by teleporting right next to you could be avoided.

This is literally not a skill thing. 'Fight' goes off, I desperately try to run away from the slayer towards my teammate so we can focus him both, but he just floats in the air with monkeybars and dashes and whatnot and unloads everything into me and I die in seconds with no chance to escape.

Trying to fight back only gets me killed even faster. The only thing that can match the realtive DPS of the slayer is something like him eating a full Revenant rocket salvo while standing in an Archville fire lake.

The math just doesn't add up. You can't stop him from meathooking onto you and unloading thousands of damage into you in seconds.

Edit: Just played yet another game again, exact same thing: Lvl 173 slayer with golden gate, teleports through, instantly deletes teammate within 3 seconds. You simply cannot be correct about this being balanced.

[AT]

Perhaps try again in a week or two, the grinders are out in force ATM.

[tdkirb]

I just don't understand. What is the point in cheating in the games? It ruins the game and what satisfaction do the cheaters get. Like, you didn't really win so you can't be proud. It discourages me from touching the multiplayer. Not just in Doom, but in games in general. It's sad really. You'd think players would be glad to get new people into the game. I don't get it, Cheating is just weak and doesn't do anything good for anybody.

[Pope Innocent the 69th]

This has nothing to do with cheaters.

Can the slayer do 2300 damage in 2 seconds or not? Cheats or no cheats, doesn't matter.