These old videos show that an AMD Radeon R7 370 2GB can run DOOM Eternal - But how would I be able to do that with this exact card?

[Marco]

Hello everybody,

I'm struggling with the Vulkan issue at startup so I can't even launch the game. As you may have already guessed from the title, I have a low end AMD card (I was aiming to an RX 580 4GB but all I could find last year was an ASUS Rog Strix for 400+ € on Amazon, which I cannot afford; so I ended up purchasing an MSI Radeon R7 370 OC 2GB for 99,98 € from eBay).

Anyway, I went out of solution (driver update didn't work and Vulkan SDK crashes at startup too) so I googled about it by just typing DOOM Eternal and AMD Radeon R7 370.
I found 2 videos that show some DOOM Eternal gameplay by using this card, or at least its chipset...

The first video shows DOOM Eternal played on a Radeon HD 7850, but the uploader answered a comment (written in russian) stating that HD 7850 and R7 370 are the same card...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5-jDClVNyw&ab_channel=BenchART

In the second video there are multiple games played on a build that mounts an R7 370 as GPU. There are hotspots, so just skip to the end in order to see DOOM Eternal gameplay. The stats on the right show the card which is being used.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GlHUCKQXYY&ab_channel=GameGangsta

However on both videos I've noticed:
1) They are from 2020;
2) The Vulkan being used is 1.2.133.

So here is my final question: is it worth it to downgrade my drivers until 1.2.133 (the latest version of my GPU currently has Vulkan 1.2.170) or the game does no longer support it? Btw, DOOM 2016 crashes too when selecting Vulkan; so I have to use OpenGL. But I found out Eternal does no longer have it...
Thanks in advance.

[-]

Don't want to disappoint you, but even if you somehow manage to make DOOM: Eternal launch on your GPU, your eyes will be surprised with this scenery or at least something close to this: https://i.imgur.com/yVYLEDO.png
AMD permanently screwed Fury, 200, and 300 series card users and left them with unstable legacy driver which they refuse to fix. Coming from R7 370 4GB user.

[Marco]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ původně napsal:

Don't want to disappoint you, but even if you somehow manage to make DOOM: Eternal launch on your GPU, your eyes will be surprised with this scenery or at least something close to this: https://i.imgur.com/yVYLEDO.png
AMD permanently screwed Fury, 200, and 300 series card users and left them with unstable legacy driver which they refuse to fix. Coming from R7 370 4GB user.

Ouch! Looks like Quake 1996! Thank you for your reply and for sharing your experience, though.

[LoveAndPeace]

those normal maps need a patch

[Cassie the Loot Goblin]

This is why drivers need to be open-source.

Sent from my RTX 30-series card with closed-source drivers nobody can patch after support is dropped

[LoveAndPeace]

I welcome AMD and Nvidia to grow up and open their drivers, it's:
1. the right thing todo
2. linux users = happy
3. healthy competition.

[Marco]

Update:

OK, thanks to some users' suggests I managed to launch the game and I got past the very first level. But it will launch only from local directory. I've read somewhere about disabling and re-enabling Steam overlay. I'll try that thing.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ původně napsal:

Don't want to disappoint you, but even if you somehow manage to make DOOM: Eternal launch on your GPU, your eyes will be surprised with this scenery or at least something close to this: https://i.imgur.com/yVYLEDO.png
AMD permanently screwed Fury, 200, and 300 series card users and left them with unstable legacy driver which they refuse to fix. Coming from R7 370 4GB user.

I managed to launch DOOM Eternal today and it looks good, there aren't those weird colors. What would this issue be related to?
EDIT: I took a screenshot, but I lowered the resolution (1024x768) and set to low most of the detail settings.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1826776436622371349/BA88D766EF4D359B41AE62F2DCE1C821F4B8E6D1/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

EDIT: I didn't see overlay because I had it disabled long time ago and I forgot it. It's enabled again now.
Plus, the defective exe is idTechLauncher. When launching DOOMEternal64vk the game works. I replaced the failing exe with the working one on SteamEdit.

[LoveAndPeace]

Marco původně napsal:

Update:

OK, thanks to some users' suggests I managed to launch the game and I got past the very first level. But it will launch only from local directory. I've read somewhere about disabling and re-enabling Steam overlay. I'll try that thing.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ původně napsal:

Don't want to disappoint you, but even if you somehow manage to make DOOM: Eternal launch on your GPU, your eyes will be surprised with this scenery or at least something close to this: https://i.imgur.com/yVYLEDO.png
AMD permanently screwed Fury, 200, and 300 series card users and left them with unstable legacy driver which they refuse to fix. Coming from R7 370 4GB user.

I managed to launch DOOM Eternal today and it looks good, there aren't those weird colors. What would this issue be related to?
EDIT: I took a screenshot, but I lowered the resolution (1024x768) and set to low most of the detail settings.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1826776436622371349/BA88D766EF4D359B41AE62F2DCE1C821F4B8E6D1/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

EDIT: I didn't see overlay because I had it disabled long time ago and I forgot it. It's enabled again now.
Plus, the defective exe is idTechLauncher. When launching DOOMEternal64vk the game works. I replaced the failing exe with the working one on SteamEdit.

that is awesome

[Marco]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ původně napsal:

Don't want to disappoint you, but even if you somehow manage to make DOOM: Eternal launch on your GPU, your eyes will be surprised with this scenery or at least something close to this: https://i.imgur.com/yVYLEDO.png
AMD permanently screwed Fury, 200, and 300 series card users and left them with unstable legacy driver which they refuse to fix. Coming from R7 370 4GB user.

I tested the latest version of the driver and the result is pretty the same. I played with some settings and managed to fix the HUD at least.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2766467372
However those colored squares will disappear when you come close to a wall or a floor. Look at the red and blue pixels before and after I moved:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2766468402

CyraxCyber původně napsal:

that is awesome

Reverting back to 1.2.133 is the best choice. That previous screen was taken with the old driver. :)

[Marco]

Yesterday I took another screenshot after reinstalling the old drivers. Just to see the difference.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2767813978

[Marco]

Update:

Looks like the drivers from september 2020, with Vulkan 1.2.149, run the game with no glitches, just like the 1.2.133 from march 2020.

Screenshots:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2776547504
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2776547957

[jlpotocki]

Well when dealing with defunct video cards I usually go the 3rd party driver route. I've heard good things from "Amernime Zone Radeon Insight" which gives support for 10+ year old cards the latest at the time of writing this is 22.2.2 and you can get it from Guru3D's forums site. I just watched a video about some one using the driver with a HD7880 as well as comparing it to the final official AMD driver. Here is a link to the video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gwVTY8JVtA

[Marco]

jlpotocki původně napsal:

Well when dealing with defunct video cards I usually go the 3rd party driver route. I've heard good things from "Amernime Zone Radeon Insight" which gives support for 10+ year old cards the latest at the time of writing this is 22.2.2 and you can get it from Guru3D's forums site. I just watched a video about some one using the driver with a HD7880 as well as comparing it to the final official AMD driver. Here is a link to the video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gwVTY8JVtA

Thank you for the suggest, I will take a look to guru3d but I only have a doubt: since nVidia/AMD cards are still copyrighted, is this site legal?

[jlpotocki]

Marco původně napsal:

jlpotocki původně napsal:

Well when dealing with defunct video cards I usually go the 3rd party driver route. I've heard good things from "Amernime Zone Radeon Insight" which gives support for 10+ year old cards the latest at the time of writing this is 22.2.2 and you can get it from Guru3D's forums site. I just watched a video about some one using the driver with a HD7880 as well as comparing it to the final official AMD driver. Here is a link to the video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gwVTY8JVtA

Thank you for the suggest, I will take a look to guru3d but I only have a doubt: since nVidia/AMD cards are still copyrighted, is this site legal?

It's legal, but just not supported by AMD. Though given the fact that they no longer support it you don't got much to loose nor have options for. The last time I personally had to go this route was when they were ATI (Radeon All In Wonder series) so this has been going on for decades. AMD is bad at releasing piss poor final drivers which makes you think it's deliberate to force you to upgrade. I will state that the legality is based on U.S. Laws other countries may differ.

[Marco]

jlpotocki původně napsal:

Well when dealing with defunct video cards I usually go the 3rd party driver route. I've heard good things from "Amernime Zone Radeon Insight" which gives support for 10+ year old cards the latest at the time of writing this is 22.2.2 and you can get it from Guru3D's forums site. I just watched a video about some one using the driver with a HD7880 as well as comparing it to the final official AMD driver. Here is a link to the video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gwVTY8JVtA

jlpotocki původně napsal:

It's legal, but just not supported by AMD. Though given the fact that they no longer support it you don't got much to loose nor have options for. The last time I personally had to go this route was when they were ATI (Radeon All In Wonder series) so this has been going on for decades. AMD is bad at releasing piss poor final drivers which makes you think it's deliberate to force you to upgrade. I will state that the legality is based on U.S. Laws other countries may differ.

An update.
Maybe I didn't read correctly or I tried the wrong drivers, but when downloading those latest versions from 22.2.1 to 22.2.3 in "Videocard drivers" section from Guru3D I can't install any of them: error 182.

Then I found another section which is called modded/hacked Videocard drivers and I was able to install the latest one. But it's a driver from February 2021, with Vulkan 1.2.162, when the R7 370 was still supported and updated. Here is a screen btw:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2778883344

It runs fine, but there is the same problem as official ones: while DOOM Eternal works, DOOM 2016 will still refuse to launch because it doesn't like Vulkan 1.2 at all.

I wonder if there is a kind of Vulkan emulator which works the same as Compatdmin (or AppCompat, I don't remember its name) for Win9x games on newer Windows OSs, which allows you to emulate Vulkan 1.0.65 without the need of installing old drivers from 2018... Because the uninstall/reinstall thing is the only option for the moment...

Thanks anyway for the tip, it was still worth a try.

EDIT:

Marco původně napsal:

An update.
Maybe I didn't read correctly or I tried the wrong drivers, but when downloading those latest versions from 22.2.1 to 22.2.3 in "Videocard drivers" section from Guru3D I can't install any of them: error 182.

D'oh, I visited the wrong section. You meant this: https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/3rd-party-driver-amernime-zone-radeon-insight-22-2-2-whql-driver-pack-released.436611/ from the forum and not the website... I'm currently downloading it and I'll give it a try.

[Marco]

Ok, I installed Amernime by following the instructions and I now get Vulkan 1.2.178 that eliminates those RGB pixels showing in 1.2.170. Didn't take any screenshot because the quality is the same as the previous ones.

But here are the following problems:

- After installing everything, included ReLive, and rebooting the PC, the Radeon software oddly didn't start, this means I can't use GPU adaptation to remove black borders;

- DOOM 2016 still doesn't like the new Vulkan;

- I confirm what did that video say about the wrong card displayed: dxdiag and system properties now believe that I have an R9 370X.

I'll keep swapping the drivers depending on the needs.