This game is bad

[Dean Winchester]

Doom 2016 was a fun shooter.

This game meanwhile, is bloated with mechanics. Ammo is limited. Glory kills are essential and forced. You must use the chainsaw to get ammo. Annoying platforming. Enemies with weaknesses that you should recall.

It's like they convoluted the game, took the flow and fun out of it. I feel weak playing it, forced to do things, conserving ammo, trying to recall what key does what. It's not how doom 2016 felt at all.

It is similar to doom 2016 in terms of exploration, which has not improved at all, as you're still going back and forth checking the map for things. It's not a fun result overall.

And before you call me "bad", I beat doom 2016 on nightmare difficulty.

There's also a complete gap between the game's events and the ending of the 2016 game. I was expecting it to pick up right where doom 2016 ended instead there's now an invasion of earth and doomguy has a spaceship? What happened in between, and, most importantly, what went wrong with this game?

[Xor fo xob]

i like doom eternal and i think it flows better than 2016, 2016 has snapmap though. and snapmap has a special place in my heart.

[brimstone]

i disagree.

eternal is better in every way.

[TrueEvil]

Sorry you didn't like it.

What I think you should do is play this with the expectation that this is a spinoff. Not a sequel. This game is really good actually, but a lot of people, myself included, have very bad first impressions because they expected it to have some resemblance of the last game. It does not.

[Storm]

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

This game meanwhile, is bloated with mechanics. Ammo is limited. Glory kills are essential and forced. You must use the chainsaw to get ammo. Annoying platforming. Enemies with weaknesses that you should recall.
It's like they convoluted the game, took the flow and fun out of it.

Try Serious Sam series with S+Mouse 1 flow gameplay.

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

I feel weak playing it, forced to do things, conserving ammo, trying to recall what key does what. It's not how doom 2016 felt at all.

Yes, Doom 2016 was much simpler with gameplay mechanics to introduce new players. In Eternal you should git gud beyond 2016.

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

It is similar to doom 2016 in terms of exploration, which has not improved at all, as you're still going back and forth checking the map for things. It's not a fun result overall.

Don't check then, game can be completed without challenges and secrets.

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

And before you call me "bad", I beat doom 2016 on nightmare difficulty.

Nightmare in Doom 2016 was somewhere between easy and medium in Eternal.

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

There's also a complete gap between the game's events and the ending of the 2016 game. I was expecting it to pick up right where doom 2016 ended instead there's now an invasion of earth and doomguy has a spaceship? What happened in between, and, most importantly, what went wrong with this game?

There's was rumors about another DLC and even prequel about events between Doom 64 and 2016, and following gap between 2016 and Eternal. We'll see.

[Noname]

Agree
eternal is Trash
no history after D2016
stupid animations

D2016 better

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by Thunda Gawd:

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

This game meanwhile, is bloated with mechanics. Ammo is limited. Glory kills are essential and forced. You must use the chainsaw to get ammo. Annoying platforming. Enemies with weaknesses that you should recall.
It's like they convoluted the game, took the flow and fun out of it.

Try Serious Sam series with S+Mouse 1 flow gameplay.

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

I feel weak playing it, forced to do things, conserving ammo, trying to recall what key does what. It's not how doom 2016 felt at all.

Yes, Doom 2016 was much simpler with gameplay mechanics to introduce new players. In Eternal you should git gut beyond 2016.

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

It is similar to doom 2016 in terms of exploration, which has not improved at all, as you're still going back and forth checking the map for things. It's not a fun result overall.

Don't check then, game can be completed without challenges and secrets.

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

And before you call me "bad", I beat doom 2016 on nightmare difficulty.

Nightmare in Doom 2016 was somewhere between easy and medium in Eternal.

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

There's also a complete gap between the game's events and the ending of the 2016 game. I was expecting it to pick up right where doom 2016 ended instead there's now an invasion of earth and doomguy has a spaceship? What happened in between, and, most importantly, what went wrong with this game?

There's was rumors about another DLC and even prequel about events between Doom 64 and 2016, and following gap between 2016 and Eternal. We'll see.

Found the pretentious elitist. The game may be harder than 2016 but it's not in a good way. They just handicapped the player and forced them to play a certain way and do certain things.

Also "just don't do it" is a cop out excuse. Exploration should be fun and rewarding. Here it is not.

[TrueEvil]

Originally posted by Thunda Gawd:

Nightmare in Doom 2016 was somewhere between easy and medium in Eternal.

I do agree that Eternal is at least marginally harder but it's definitely not that much higher. 2016 Nightmare is a lot closer to Eternal's Ultra Violence I would say.

[TrueEvil]

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

The game may be harder than 2016 but it's not in a good way. They just handicapped the player.

No. If anything this game has the potential to be many times easier than 2016. It can be difficult to reach that point, but in no way is the player handicapped. I do sympathise with your disappointment with this game but this is just false.

[Storm]

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

Found the pretentious elitist. The game may be harder than 2016 but it's not in a good way. They just handicapped the player.

Nope, not at all. I'm concidering myself as seasoned first-person shooter player: enthusiastic, but not hardcore or elitist. Eternal is definitely hard and complex game, but no way it handicapped the player - it gives you all the tools to dominate and control any battle. The question is: are you ready and capable to master it? Can you enjoy this game as designed?

[Storm]

Originally posted by eV:

I do agree that Eternal is at least marginally harder but it's definitely not that much higher. 2016 Nightmare is a lot closer to Eternal's Ultra Violence I would say.

If you are good player and fully stocked with weapons, mods and upgrades - yes. If you start from scratch, Eternal is way harder than any Doom 2016 difficulty level.

[TrueEvil]

Originally posted by Thunda Gawd:

Originally posted by eV:

I do agree that Eternal is at least marginally harder but it's definitely not that much higher. 2016 Nightmare is a lot closer to Eternal's Ultra Violence I would say.

If you are good player and fully stocked with weapons, mods and upgrades - yes. If you start from scratch, Eternal is way harder than any Doom 2016 difficulty level.

Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree Eternal is harder as a whole. But I have about equal hours in both games (I own Eternal on Bethesda) and personally I don't think the difference is very great.

Just in terms of first levels, 2016 I would say is MUCH more difficult than Eternal actually. 45 damage fireballs from 10 imps at a time? No thanks. Hell on Earth has nothing on that imo

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by Thunda Gawd:

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

Found the pretentious elitist. The game may be harder than 2016 but it's not in a good way. They just handicapped the player.

Nope, not at all. I'm concidering myself as seasoned first-person shooter player: enthusiastic, but not hardcore or elitist. Eternal is definitely hard and complex game, but no way it handicapped the player - it gives you all the tools to dominate and control any battle. The question is: are you ready and capable to master it? Can you enjoy this game as designed?

Nope, because the design is bad and handicaps the player. I pretty much haven't played this game in a while because I did not find it enjoyable. It just makes me want to play doom 2016. I was also looking forward to seeing the story continued just to find a massive gap between the two games.

Doom 2016 was primarily a shooter with occasional glory kills and chainsaw kills. I felt powerful in that game even on nightmare difficulty.

This game, instead of building on Doom 2016, forces you to use the chainsaw, glory kills, and numerous other mechanics that they introduced to bloat the game into the convoluted mess that it is. And FPS is almost dubious, since the emphasis is no longer on just the shooting. Especially considering the platforming.

Originally posted by eV:

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

The game may be harder than 2016 but it's not in a good way. They just handicapped the player.

No. If anything this game has the potential to be many times easier than 2016. It can be difficult to reach that point, but in no way is the player handicapped. I do sympathise with your disappointment with this game but this is just false.

"Eternal is at least marginally harder"
"has the potential to be many times easier"
which one is it?

The reduced ammo is a literal handicap, regardless of how you try to spin it. I've had encounters where I'm running around looking for a zombie to cut down because all my weapons are empty. In turn I am constantly cautious with my weapons, leading me to feel weak, which is NOT how these games should make you feel

[mpz]

Any moron can beat 2016 on nightmare. You just suck.

[Dean Winchester]

Originally posted by mphz:

Any moron can beat 2016 on nightmare. You just suck.

Fundamentally false and baseless claim. What's the stat on morons beating Doom 2016 on nightmare? And you're just a fanboy. You even put this game as your profile background.

Even if I sucked, (which i don't, my playthrough of this game is on nightmare), the game is not fun, it's convoluted, doomguy was lobotomized by the devs and threw his ammo pouches away, and I have no desire to adapt to his lobotomy.

[TrueEvil]

Originally posted by PhysicallyConstant:

"Eternal is at least marginally harder"
"has the potential to be many times easier"
which one is it?

The reduced ammo is a literal handicap, regardless of how you try to spin it. I've had encounters where I'm running around looking for a zombie to cut down because all my weapons are empty. In turn I am constantly cautious with my weapons, leading me to feel weak, which is NOT how these games should make you feel

For most, Eternal is harder.

But the game gives you tools. Flame belch, ice bomb, meat hook, etc. Proper usage will make this game a cakewalk, but it takes a lot of practice to make it happen.

The ammo situation isn't even that bad. Just chainsaw when it's off cooldown. Unless you're camping in one part of the arena (which you shouldn't be), a fodder enemy will present itself. To be perfectly honest I run out of ammo in 2016 a lot more often, even with ammo boost. Not a handicap in my book.