DOOM Eternal

DOOM Eternal

Ver estatísticas:
Doom GAL is coming soon™.
Thoughts? I personally have no issues if they implement her well.
Article:
https://www.gamesradar.com/doom-eternal-game-director-put-a-lot-of-thought-into-a-female-doom-slayer/
Originalmente postado por UNBREAKABLE:
Y'all are treating this like it's gonna be added to the game when all Hugo was doing was nerding out over a stream question. Doesn't mean it's something that'll happen, but when you personally ask the creative director "what about if", of course he's going to give you his thoughts. His job is literally to come up with art.

The article was certainly just looking for clicks considering this was talked about over a week ago.

< >
A mostrar 136-150 de 225 comentários
Kyller92 AKA Cinos 26 fev. 2021 às 0:31 
Originalmente postado por 1000 JEWS:

Not really. You think it's wrong for me to say something isn't canon based on solid reasoning. I'm not really for people disregarding parts of a story unless it makes sense. In this case, it does.

I think it's wrong because that goes against the very definition of canon. SImple as that. Your solid reasoning is basically just "there's no proof". Again, this can make a story bad, but this can't make something not canon.

Originalmente postado por 1000 JEWS:

I can't help you then. If that's not good enough for you then you don't care about logic.
That's... ironic.

Originalmente postado por 1000 JEWS:

Doesn't matter if the author said it. I can dislike it and disregard it if it doesn't make sense. I just did and I have the lore to back me up. Meanwhile, your only talking point is "it makes sense because the author said it." That's irrational.

You base your reasoning on the absence of information, not the contradiction. So no, the lore can't back you up here. As far as the lore goes, nothing can stop me to say Doom Slayer from 2016 and Eternal are actually two totally different characters. After all, nothing in the lore can prove it's actually the case.


Originalmente postado por 1000 JEWS:

There we go, steer the conversation away from the fact that you lost the argument. Great way of admitting defeat.
So... the answer is yes ?

Originalmente postado por 1000 JEWS:

Actually, it doesn't matter because that wouldn't make sense. Nothing in Eternal's story is universe breaking except for the connection between OG doomguy and doomslayer. As I said above, I'm not for people changing a story unless it makes sense to. In my case, it does because Eternal's assertion that OG doomguy and doomslayer are the same person doesn't logically work with the way the universe is set up. I'm sure ID will release information to fix the plot holes, but as of right now it doesn't work with the current lore available. If a person decides to disregard Eternal's story entirely just because, then that's their problem.

Based on the lore and on what you wrote, nothing also says it couldn't work logically with the way the universe is set up. We don't even know how the Slayer got to Argent D'Nur. So, even if you think it doesn't make sense, it doesn't make it's the case. And at this point, it becomes a matter of opinion, not fact.

Originalmente postado por 1000 JEWS:
But with all the lore considered, doomslayer is not a Mary Sue. As for OG doomguy, we don't have enough information to say so if ID goes with the alternate realities plot. That's something for them to explain.

Well, it seems we'll always disagree on the Mary Sue part then. As for OG doomguy, again, it's about the lack of information, not contradiction.

Originalmente postado por 1000 JEWS:

While that's true, it wasn't like he was breezing through them like he does after he gets juiced up. We know that from him being badly wounded when he's found by the Sentinels.

That's fair. But nothing also says he wasn't breezing through them. Him being badly wounded before the Sentinels could be caused by... anything actually.
~Neon Doom~ 26 fev. 2021 às 0:44 
I cannot believe ...
I just cannot believe some of the comments im reading here

They made a unicorn skin and you people are worried about doom gal

jesus christ just :steamfacepalm: :steamfacepalm:

Half life has no female character of Gordon freeman :steamfacepalm:

Pac man was a gender neutral bisexual ♥♥♥♥♥♥ on drugs :steamfacepalm:

Mario was actually a gay Italian who had a brother named Luigi :steamfacepalm:

its 2021 everything even video games are about making sure everyone is welcomed
just i can't i have no hope left in some of you after reading these comments god help you all

Dark souls did it right male and females both looked the same when dead. no room for arguments

Women matter too and i agree this game is a FPS set in a fantasy setting
Women could be the ultimate "Doom" of the armies of hell... yeah i have no problem with that.

ID made the mistake to voice the doom guy during the sentinel prime flash backs before the boss fight now they will have to replace it as a women perspective and this destroys the lore so the doom gal was a great warrior against all the other night sentinels who were
A) men
or
B) women

which one will it be? This is the major problem.
Última alteração por ~Neon Doom~; 26 fev. 2021 às 0:55
considering how sh*tty the 2019-20 film "DOOM: Annihilation" turned out (which has a DoomGirl)....HELL NO!!!!
EF_Neo1st 26 fev. 2021 às 6:23 
Originalmente postado por Mister Torgue Flexington:
considering how sh*tty the 2019-20 film "DOOM: Annihilation" turned out (which has a DoomGirl)....HELL NO!!!!
Because 1 crap writter with crap budget and crap goals do crap (as expected), dont mean everyone have to do crap "just because" it would be a woman...

Also, Crash already exist and if, as stated by Hugo, there can be multiple slayers in different dimensions (but only 1 hell), it would also explain the Quake tournament as maybe all the Quake character would be champions on their respective dimensions (making Crash being the female Doomguy of her dimension).
(I am obviously extrapolating things that would make sense by mixing DOOM and Quake universes, also now there is the Quake Champions, reason why I used the term "champions oon their respective dimensions", as Doomguy is an unstoppable force of nature against demons and at Quake he is "just another one with similar powers and capacities")
Mortimer Reed 26 fev. 2021 às 6:31 
If Doom Gal is a Doom Waifu or just 100% sexy fanservice, then yes.
Boddicker 26 fev. 2021 às 6:49 
Originalmente postado por Gestapo:
I cannot believe ...
I just cannot believe some of the comments im reading here

They made a unicorn skin and you people are worried about doom gal

jesus christ just :steamfacepalm: :steamfacepalm:

Half life has no female character of Gordon freeman :steamfacepalm:

Pac man was a gender neutral bisexual ♥♥♥♥♥♥ on drugs :steamfacepalm:

Mario was actually a gay Italian who had a brother named Luigi :steamfacepalm:

its 2021 everything even video games are about making sure everyone is welcomed
just i can't i have no hope left in some of you after reading these comments god help you all

Dark souls did it right male and females both looked the same when dead. no room for arguments

Women matter too and i agree this game is a FPS set in a fantasy setting
Women could be the ultimate "Doom" of the armies of hell... yeah i have no problem with that.

ID made the mistake to voice the doom guy during the sentinel prime flash backs before the boss fight now they will have to replace it as a women perspective and this destroys the lore so the doom gal was a great warrior against all the other night sentinels who were
A) men
or
B) women

which one will it be? This is the major problem.

I CAN'T EVEN
Doragor 26 fev. 2021 às 10:42 
This thread isnt going anywhere

We could have a Crash game made with the same engine as Doom instead
Cant see why that character couldnt have its own game, could be an entirely different game too to branch out from Doom so it wont compete on its own market.
snape75 26 fev. 2021 às 13:53 
I would actually be excited for a female doom slayer just because it would be something different, especially if she uses different glory kills, different weapons, etc, as Hugo suggested in his stream. Maybe more glass cannon/more lethal (just spit balling, I have no idea how to design a game).

I think the chance of it actually happening is in hell (pun intended), but I think it would be cool if it did.
🫏Luv4Donkeys🫏 26 fev. 2021 às 14:41 
Lame
Instagrim 27 fev. 2021 às 16:40 
No. Hell no. I am personally not for a Doomgirl. I think this is a mistake because Doomguy is an iconic character. It just does not work that way. If they're seriously considering making a heroine, then it should be a different franchise altogether. Heck, if I wanted to play as a female character, I'd just play an RPG, or a game with a female protagonist. Making a female equivalent to Doomguy would trivialize Doomguy's significance in gaming history as a gaming icon.

This is like having a female Master Chief. It does not make any sense. He is Master Chief. He is the hero. He is cool. He is the face of Halo. There can be no other Master Chief. Master Chief is a guy. This is what you sign up for when you play Halo games. It’s the same with Doomguy. He is Doomguy. He is the hero. He is cool. He is the face of Doom. Doomguy is a guy.

Here’s another way to look at it: Hellblade has a female protagonist, Senua. She is the heroine for that game, and a strong female lead at that. Does that automatically mean there should be a male Senua? No. Because this is what you sign up for when you play Hellblade. You play as Senua. She is the heroine. She is cool. She is the face of Hellblade. Senua is a girl.

I feel like those misguided post-modernist notions about equality are now trying to challenge the prevalence of established gaming icons. There are both male and female gaming icons from different games, and these notions seem to be using male icons as a means to justify having female equivalents. It just does not work that way.

id Software, please stay true to Doom. This is one of the few beloved franchises that still holds its end of the bargain when it comes to quality and value to gaming. For that, it deserves the utmost respect.
Última alteração por Instagrim; 27 fev. 2021 às 21:30
EF_Neo1st 27 fev. 2021 às 18:03 
Originalmente postado por Instagrim:
No. Hell no. I am personally not for a Doomgirl. I think this is a mistake because Doomguy is an iconic character. It just does not work that way. If they're seriously considering making a heroine, then it should be a different franchise altogether. Heck, if I wanted to play as a female character, I'd just play an RPG, or a game with a female protagonist. Making a female equivalent to Doomguy would trivialize Doomguy's significance in gaming history as a gaming icon.

This is like having a female Master Chief. It does not make any sense. He is Master Chief. He is the hero. He is cool. He is the face of Halo. There can be no other Master Chief. Master Chief is a guy. This is what you sign up for when you play Halo games. It’s the same with Doomguy. He is Doomguy. He is the hero. He is cool. He is the face of Doom. Doomguy is a guy.

Here’s another way to look at it: Hellblade has a female protagonist, Senua. She is the heroine for that game, and a strong female lead at that. Does that automatically mean there should be a male Senua? No. Because this is what you sign up for when you play Hellblade. You play as Senua. She is the heroine. She is cool. She is the face of Hellblade. Senua is a girl.

I feel like those misguided post-modernist notions about equality are now trying to challenge the prevalence of established gaming icons. There are both male and female gaming icons from different games, and these notions seem to be using male icons as a means to justify having female equivalents. It just does not work that way.

id Software, please stay true to Doom. This is one of the few beloved franchises that still holds its end of the bargain when it comes to quality and value to gaming. For that, it deserves the utmost respect.
Tbh, Hugo mentioned about multiple dimensions and maybe multiple versions of the Doomguy/Slayer, but only 1 hell ... and there exist Quake, with multiple different characters AND with a Doomgirl, Crash, and all of them have "similar" capacities (that were the exact same in Quake 3 Arena but at Quake Champions they are different, and the Slayer is there).

If they merge the Quake verse with DOOM, by creating different missions, or different campaigns for each character of each dimension, Crash could be introduced as a sort of "Doomgirl", as even her armor is the same as Doomguy armor, but for a female.

If for some reason hell end up invading muiltiple dimensions at once, or being invaded by multiple "Slayers/Doomguys", this would make sense that at some point some of these characters cross with each other in hell, maybe even join fighting demons, dont know (it would allow and explain coop multiplayer with multiple characters).
Hyper G-man 28 fev. 2021 às 9:21 
its not coming it was a hypothetical
EF_Neo1st 28 fev. 2021 às 9:36 
Originalmente postado por Hyper G-man:
its not coming it was a hypothetical
So are all my suggestions of what could be, gameplay, lore, etc, for a "hypothetical" Doomgirl (also considering Crash as an actual Doomgirl, as her looks suggests).
Grampire 28 fev. 2021 às 9:45 
Originalmente postado por Instagrim:
No. Hell no. I am personally not for a Doomgirl. I think this is a mistake because Doomguy is an iconic character. It just does not work that way. If they're seriously considering making a heroine, then it should be a different franchise altogether. Heck, if I wanted to play as a female character, I'd just play an RPG, or a game with a female protagonist. Making a female equivalent to Doomguy would trivialize Doomguy's significance in gaming history as a gaming icon.

This is like having a female Master Chief. It does not make any sense. He is Master Chief. He is the hero. He is cool. He is the face of Halo. There can be no other Master Chief. Master Chief is a guy. This is what you sign up for when you play Halo games. It’s the same with Doomguy. He is Doomguy. He is the hero. He is cool. He is the face of Doom. Doomguy is a guy.

Here’s another way to look at it: Hellblade has a female protagonist, Senua. She is the heroine for that game, and a strong female lead at that. Does that automatically mean there should be a male Senua? No. Because this is what you sign up for when you play Hellblade. You play as Senua. She is the heroine. She is cool. She is the face of Hellblade. Senua is a girl.

I feel like those misguided post-modernist notions about equality are now trying to challenge the prevalence of established gaming icons. There are both male and female gaming icons from different games, and these notions seem to be using male icons as a means to justify having female equivalents. It just does not work that way.

id Software, please stay true to Doom. This is one of the few beloved franchises that still holds its end of the bargain when it comes to quality and value to gaming. For that, it deserves the utmost respect.

Your comparisons to other strong female leads is a false equivalent considering the original intent behind the creation of Doomguy.

Doomguy was originally created to he an avatar of the player.

Strong leads like Senua or Aloy are not considered direct avatars of the player. They arent silent protagonist "hand of the user" type characters - they have their own identities, personalities, and characteristics.

Games that fall into the former often offer character customization to allow you to choose gender.

Doomguy's icon status is already set - it will never achieve the recognition it got back in the 90's and it's never going to be altered. I would argue theres zero chance it could be damaged by altering his gender now, or by introducing a new Slayer with a different gender.

The recent two games are the most characterization he's ever received and even still his gender isnt an absolutely defining characteristic. Insofar as the classics, aside from his UI portrait and some grunts, nothing about him in any way is defined by his masculinity. If a modder wanted, they could take the original games and make him a female and it would work just fine and likely wouldnt be hard. That's how fleeting any gender content is in the original.

Making his masculinity a cornerstone of his pop identity is more a subconscious projection onto him from the audience, which is largely male, than anything.

You could make him a female and it would have zero actual effect on any of the games. His gender doesnt actually matter at all. Am I saying they should change it at this point? No, that would be pointless. But having a female Slayer or female characters or skins isnt going to materially impact the IP, except to probably inflame an asinine culture war.
Última alteração por Grampire; 28 fev. 2021 às 9:47
< >
A mostrar 136-150 de 225 comentários
Por página: 1530 50

Postado a: 22 fev. 2021 às 10:27
Comentários: 225