The doomslayer is slowly becoming a mary sue

[Darkronous the Supreme Senpai]

The problem with the slayer, is that the more awesome they try to make him the less intersting he becomes, he was once a simple marine with anger issues, now he is a unstoppable god with powers of heaven and who may be molded after the dark lord, he has no flaws, what flaws he does have are shown to be ALWAYS the right decision, its sad how they made a once intersting character into a bland mess so they can show how awesome he is, And to anyone who is gonna say "Who cares about character it's a doom game" my response is, this ain't the 90's anymore we are allowed rto have flawed characters in media now, if doom has to have a story. make the main character intersting, because at best he's a plot device and at worst... he's rey skywalker

[Kyller92 AKA Cinos]

引用自 Darkronous the Supreme Senpai：

引用自 Kyller92 AKA Cinos FR：

Well, in reference to what I said earlier, the new God of War indeed has a better story compared to the originals, but is also a worse game than those (in my opinion obviously... ).

It requires time to deepen a character, and in a fast-paced FPS game, you can't afford to lose so much time in this kind of things (especially for Doom Eternal where some people already complains there's too much story).

You say like it can't be done, and my response is two things, Shadow warrior was able to give character in a fast paced shooter and that had a smaller budget but that's comedic i mean its not like their is a fast paced retro style shooter that is able to tell a deep complicated story while still able to keep its gameplay fun.... OH WAIT that's right BIOSHOCK does exactly that bioshock while not 1 for 1 with doom eternal is like 95% similar enough to kinda blow your point outta the water

Yes, Shadow Warrior tried to deepen the characters, and again, IMO the gameplay suffered from that. And I'm not saying the game is bad or anything like that, but the game is way slower than your average fast-FPS despite being faster than most FPS from the 7th gen. I don't want to write a two-page essay about the subject but basically SW suffers from the same issues as all 7th gen first person shooters.
And Bioshock is absolutely not a fast-paced retro FPS. It's a story-driven immersive sim which is even the opposite of that. The game's good, but you mainly play for the story and the atmosphere, not the gameplay.

[Peelsepuuppi]

How was Doomguy an interesting character, ever? Just a marine who murdered a horde of demons effortlessly, there's no chance any regular human could do that. He was a mary sue right from the start. At least him being godlike makes sense considering his feats and even then who cares about a story in a doom game? If it's good it's fine if it's bad then just shoot shit.

[Clone303]

for the first it's not called mary sue when it's a guy, then it's gary stu and DOOM Guy has always been that, he have already save world 2 times in the old old doom games and even 3 time after DOOM 2016 and now he save the world the 4 times so you think a normal human can do that? the guy is rage itsef wtih the biggest guns he can finde

[Darkronous the Supreme Senpai]

引用自 Clone303：

for the first it's not called mary sue when it's a guy, then it's gary stu and DOOM Guy has always been that, he have already save world 2 times in the old old doom games and even 3 time after DOOM 2016 and now he save the world the 4 times so you think a normal human can do that? the guy is rage itsef wtih the biggest guns he can finde

Well it's becoming more obivous

[Peelsepuuppi]

引用自 rubdown：

I hope someone posted the Carmack quote.

How about you?

[RevolverBigBosselote]

引用自 Darkronous the Supreme Senpai：

引用自 UNBREAKABLE：

It's a power fantasy, that's kind of the point, he is a literal plot device in the sense you feel like him. Feeling unstoppable is how the game becomes fun, the story reflects this by basically making the whole story a result of his ungodly kill count.

Problem is, with doom eternal's difficulty, this isn't a power fantasy, doom 2016 was a fantasy doom eternal is not, so it leads to Ludonarrative dissonance

Maybe if you were good at the game he would seem more Mary Sue-ish when you played as him

[RevolverBigBosselote]

引用自 WhatAreYouDoingInMy♂dungeon♂：

引用自 `Creative：

Out of touch xD

.

Couldn't come up with a better description that wouldn't be offensive. We're talking about a dude that calls old doom games bad based on them having no story and somehow bad gameplay even though these games are like 20 over years old by now...

In one of his early threads he claimed that Goldeneye 64 was far more influential and important than any of the classic doom games

[TuLLs]

I LOVE eternal's gameplay loop and action but let's be honest, the entire game and plot has evolved into something ridiculous, I'm not even paying attention anymore. It also does not help you can customize Doomguy into a pink unicorn (twitch event) or fat redneck (twitch event).

[DevilBlackDoom]

引用自 RevolverBigBosselote：

引用自 Darkronous the Supreme Senpai：

Problem is, with doom eternal's difficulty, this isn't a power fantasy, doom 2016 was a fantasy doom eternal is not, so it leads to Ludonarrative dissonance

Maybe if you were good at the game he would seem more Mary Sue-ish when you played as him

Since the concept of a Mary Sue is being overpowered without earning it, and without effort, as well as being always right, the Slayer's not a Gary Stu. He's been wrong in the past (in retrospective now, destroying the Argent filters served literally no purpose and may have even hindered humanity's war efforts to name only one mistake), he earned his power through trials and combat, and even with his power he's not invincible, he's shown to have to be very proficient at combat to be able to kill the demons (afaik, his mortality, even with the armor and his power, is canon).

[CCore]

I got this game to kick demon ass, not to think about the intricacies of Doom guy's character. Most people arent gonna care.

[Darkronous the Supreme Senpai]

Again if you put in depth hidden lore in the game Ala FNAF people are gonna examine the characters and story and be far more critical of it

[RevolverBigBosselote]

引用自 Darkronous the Supreme Senpai：

Again if you put in depth hidden lore in the game Ala FNAF people are gonna examine the characters and story and be far more critical of it

The ♥♥♥♥ kinda depth hidden lore does this game have and why are you obsessed with FNaF all of the sudden

[Darkronous the Supreme Senpai]

引用自 RevolverBigBosselote：

引用自 Darkronous the Supreme Senpai：

Again if you put in depth hidden lore in the game Ala FNAF people are gonna examine the characters and story and be far more critical of it

The ♥♥♥♥ kinda depth hidden lore does this game have and why are you obsessed with FNaF all of the sudden

I'm a fnaf fan have been since the second game,it's just i don't talk about all the time, and the way doom delievers backstory is VERY similar in concept to fnaf

[Grampire]

引用自 Darkronous the Supreme Senpai：

引用自 RevolverBigBosselote：

The ♥♥♥♥ kinda depth hidden lore does this game have and why are you obsessed with FNaF all of the sudden

I'm a fnaf fan have been since the second game,it's just i don't talk about all the time, and the way doom delievers backstory is VERY similar in concept to fnaf

Just so we're clear; FNAF is Five Nights at Freddie's, right?

Because if so I'm taking this discussion to a whole new layer of ridicule. I just want to confirm before that begins, because it's going to be ultra bad and I'm probably going to get myself banned.

[Blitzkowicz]

"I'm a FNAF fan"

Oh